Acceptance Process

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Without Prejudice

Originally Posted by Notorial dissent

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A promissory note differs from an IOU in that the latter is a simple acknowledgement of the existence of a debt owed, whereas a promissory note, as its name implies, contains an affirmative undertaking to pay the amount stated. (Source: wikipedia.)

[Freetalker]

In my opinion, as a retired certified automobile mechanic, what you did was to Contract with the Dealership for a service, and by your post, the service was rendered. There is a thing called a Mechanic's Lein that works very well for the mechanic, I myself have taken serveral cars from deadbeats who didn't want to pay for the work they contracted. A good mechanic, much like a doctor, is hard to find. My advice? Pay up. My other advice? Buy something else, Chryslers are junk from the assembly line, and the company has been sold as of this morning.

[charlesa6]

Who is the purchaser?

[fred quimby]

I had a credit lien against me for 5000 usd and used the process and it worked beautiful. Nothing against my credit. fredquimbyminer@yahoo.com

[ThomPaine]

why would you send your car to a dealership for $3000 worth of work and then expect them to take your signature or some BS TDA account crap for payment. Of course they dont know how to handle it, its garbage.

They fixed your car and you need to pay for it with something they can take and put in their bank. pay their mechanic or buy parts, etc.. Yes I know that we dont have any lawful money and how the banking system works, but this is BS.

If you asked them to fix your truck and you dont intend to pay for it, then its theft or fraud or both.

The whole discharge thing seems like crap to me. So you take a credit card and buy $1000 worth of clothes and then use some BS process to get out of paying for the clothes? You recieved 1000 dollars worth of clothes, so you must give something worth 1000 dollars in return and your signature against a treasury acct backed by a notarised green and blue sealed birth certificate isnt worth the paper its printed on, definitely not 1000 dollars. If someone can prove me wrong, I would be happy to listen. I have heard of people doing it, but I have heard lots of crazy things in my life about people filing weird tax forms to get refunds, making all kinds of scams up to borrow money, etc and some work no doubt. That doesnt mean that its right or it has any basis or foundation to it.

I have no confidence at all that mail room clerks and telephone support people or even supervisors or legal departments understand this stuff, so I really have a hard time believing that something can be paid with a stamp or a signature and some words on a piece of paper and that a company is going to take this and be able to do something with it..

Just my two cents, but I believe there is a common law maxim that says use not fraud or deceit in any contract or transaction.


End of Rant.

[ezrhythm]

Because the way the system works is that the store gets paid whether or not you remit to the CC company. The CC company gets paid whether or not you remit to them either. When/if you do remit to them, the CC company is getting paid twice.

It is not possible to steal from the system, once a so called debt is created, the system is stealing from us.


If a company takes $1000 that belongs to you and then loans you $1000 and then when you don't pay it back, who has stolen from you.

It all makes sense once you understand that they are loaning you your own funds.

Forget for a moment that they are loaning you your own funds but the loan is still fraudulent; who is stealing from who?

Since you understand that there is no actual "money" then how does someone or a business get "paid"?
It is done only by bookkeeping entries.
Since a business or a worker isn't getting anything of substance in exchange for their goods or services the system is fraudulent. Who is benefiting from the fraud? Who set the system up and continues to run it?
Who benefits whether you open up two, eight, or even twelve CC acounts, charge up the accounts and never remit a "payment"?
The corporation issuing the account and the private Federal Reserve.

What particular thing/action is it that sets in motion the creation of the bookkeeping entries that causes funds to appear, since there is no money of substance?
YOUR SIGNATURE!
That is why you have seen ads for incredibly low interest loans. Or loans with, "No Payment Until _____", and all of the other alluring loan offers.
It is not just because they make a profit from the interest rate they are charging. They are able to make bookkeeping entry profits on just your signature alone.
Since your signature causes the creation of "funds", your signature can also create the bookkeeping entry that creates the funds that discharge debt, making it possible to Accept For Value and to do Set Offs.
This was all written in to law in, House Joint Resolution 192 with the SIGNATURE of one Woodrow Wilson.

[robhalford88]

Originally Posted by ThomPaine

why would you send your car to a dealership for $3000 worth of work and then expect them to take your signature or some BS TDA account crap for payment. Of course they dont know how to handle it, its garbage.

They fixed your car and you need to pay for it with something they can take and put in their bank. pay their mechanic or buy parts, etc.. Yes I know that we dont have any lawful money and how the banking system works, but this is BS.

If you asked them to fix your truck and you dont intend to pay for it, then its theft or fraud or both.

The whole discharge thing seems like crap to me. So you take a credit card and buy $1000 worth of clothes and then use some BS process to get out of paying for the clothes? You recieved 1000 dollars worth of clothes, so you must give something worth 1000 dollars in return and your signature against a treasury acct backed by a notarised green and blue sealed birth certificate isnt worth the paper its printed on, definitely not 1000 dollars. If someone can prove me wrong, I would be happy to listen. I have heard of people doing it, but I have heard lots of crazy things in my life about people filing weird tax forms to get refunds, making all kinds of scams up to borrow money, etc and some work no doubt. That doesnt mean that its right or it has any basis or foundation to it.

I have no confidence at all that mail room clerks and telephone support people or even supervisors or legal departments understand this stuff, so I really have a hard time believing that something can be paid with a stamp or a signature and some words on a piece of paper and that a company is going to take this and be able to do something with it..

Just my two cents, but I believe there is a common law maxim that says use not fraud or deceit in any contract or transaction.


End of Rant.

Just because YOU don't believe or understand, that is no reason to call it bull**** nor is it a good reason to insinuate, if not directly state that people are criminals and engaging in fraud.
You should know better.
My 2 cents worth.

[ThomPaine]

My responses are in bold

Originally Posted by ezrhythm

Because the way the system works is that the store gets paid whether or not you remit to the CC company. The CC company gets paid whether or not you remit to them either. When/if you do remit to them, the CC company is getting paid twice.

how does the CC company get paid if I dont pay 'the bill' and who pays them? Where does that 'money' come from and how are they getting paid the 'first' time?

It is not possible to steal from the system, once a so called debt is created, the system is stealing from us.

If a company takes $1000 that belongs to you and then loans you $1000 and then when you don't pay it back, who has stolen from you.

How is a CC company taking $1000 that belongs to me, I have a CC with good 'credit' that says I can borrow or spend $1000 on whatever and pay that bill/invoice when it comes.

It all makes sense once you understand that they are loaning you your own funds. How did they get my own 'money' from me? If I own all this 'money/funds, etc. why do i need them or need credit, why dont I just go buy whatever I want and pay for it?? Because I have no lawful money and must use credit and FRNs. My credit is that I am borrowing FRNs temporarily and paying them back to the lender at a later date. If I dont pay it back, how is that ok??

Forget for a moment that they are loaning you your own funds but the loan is still fraudulent; who is stealing from who?

Since you understand that there is no actual "money" then how does someone or a business get "paid"?
It is done only by bookkeeping entries.

Let's say I have a tire business and that is all I do all day is sell new tires. You come in with a flat and ask to buy one tire. I agree to sell you one for $100. It cost me $60 so I profit $40 and show this in my ledger along with your CC payment, which I soon receive from the CC company, maybe deposited into my bank account?? If you paid for the tire with a $100 bill, I would do the same thing, except the $100 would be put in the bank by me or I am free to spend it however I wish

Now if you dont send payment in when your monthly statement comes, I dont care, bc I have the $100 from the CC company. I can take this $100 from my account and pay rent, buy groceries, etc. but they lost $100 bc you borrowed from them and didnt repay. If you borrow my lawnmower and dont return it, I am out a lawnmower and must acquire another one, which is not free.

Who benefits whether you open up two, eight, or even twelve CC acounts, charge up the accounts and never remit a "payment"?

The corporation issuing the account and the private Federal Reserve.

not really sure how the CC company and the fed benefit if I go open ten CC accounts, run them all up and then dont make any payments. Seems like I just got a bunch of free stuff and the company who loaned me the 'money' got screwed...

What particular thing/action is it that sets in motion the creation of the bookkeeping entries that causes funds to appear, since there is no money of substance?
YOUR SIGNATURE!

your signature is on the CC receipt saying that you are good for it and will pay the statement when it comes in. CC companies are not in the business of providing you with the means to buy tires, clothes and groceries and then not getting anything in return with which they can do likewise.

They are able to make bookkeeping entry profits on just your signature alone. Since your signature causes the creation of "funds", your signature can also create the bookkeeping entry that creates the funds that discharge debt, making it possible to Accept For Value and to do Set Offs. This was all written in to law in, House Joint Resolution 192 with the SIGNATURE of one Woodrow Wilson.

So lets say a big company like DiTech or Lending Tree or even Countrywide (the biggest, I believe) has one of these offers and you refi your house with them. They provide 'money/funds/currency/wire transfer/credits, whatever' to pay off the old loan. You sign an agreement with them to pay back 437,000 at a given monthly payment and interest rate, make your payments ontime, etc, given number of payments, blah, blah, blah.. You say I signed all that stuff with them, so I dont need to make a payment on the house, they have their 'money'

What is it that the mortgage company will do exactly to create 'money' and credit your account/mortgage since you didnt bother to 'remit payment' to them in the form of FRNs (to cover the $437,000 you just borrowed to purchase a house, which the mortgage company technically owns, until you make the last payment'

I am not trying to be a **** about this, but it really seems like dirty pool to me to get stuff and not pay for it, so I am listening to anyone who can explain how this is really done and how the people at the mortgage company can use your notice or signature or whatever it is to pay their rent and utilities and buy coffee, etc..

[Jerry Pitts]

Thom: Have you read and studied the Walker Todd affidavit? If not, I believe it is available on this forum somewhere, if I remember correctly (it should be here).

Jerry

[ThomPaine]

Never heard of it, will look around and see what I come up with..

Cheers,

Thom

EDIT: first match in google, so if this is not it, please let me know, thanks

http://freedom-school.com/affidavit_...dd_1-20-04.pdf