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Where can I get some info on land patents?

[Ice]

Download section... search the list for "Land Patents"... also, there are a couple of other threads in this forum that reference a book titled "Allodial Titles & Land Patents" by Johnny Liberty.& The book is inexpensive and can be found at ICResource.com.


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[ntellect]

Greetings people.

For all those using the UCC process, it's almost a lost cause sending the docs to the predators/creditors. They will not uphold the law for us and there is no proven method or guarantee that "we" can force their hand to do so. Unfortunately, I had to find out the hard way by them rejecting all my docs and the B.O.E stating it is a non-negotiable instrument of payment but of course HJR 192 and UCC 3-603(a)(b)(c) say otherwise. Well duh, if you try to process it as a check then of course that would hold true.

We also have to understand "we" have no clue as to what "idiot's" desk our docs are going to hit. So if some little customer rep on the bottom of the totem pole receives the docs they won't have a clue what to do with them and will probably send them back after conversing with a supervisor who is an "idiot" as well.

I was informed by my cousin that it's probably best to obtain wire transfer account information (if they will give it to you) for the predators/creditors and put that info on your B.O.E, your account number(s) on the B.O.E, along with a memo with those wire transfer routing numbers, account numbers and all your treasury docs to Snow himself. The transaction can then be processed (adjustment via computer and their hard copy ledgers) directly to the accounts in question.

What do you think Montana and Ice?

Peace and blessings
Ntellect

ntellect,


I have just started looking into BoE's myself.& I have pretty much stuch to administrative processes previously.


Thank you so much for thinking to ask me, however, I think that other forum members will be better equiped to answer this question.


I will say that I have never heard of using wire transfer numbers and if it makes the documents easier for the "idiots" to understand, and their is nothing about it that is unlawful, then go for it.


I think that the court of public opinion is a very important factor to consider.& Good job with doing your homework.


Later,


Sara-Jane

NTELLECT ,


&I just did a Credit Restoration job&for a friend of a Bank President and I&was able to drag a few answers out of him>>&I may be able to shed some light on discharging debt with a closed account,& from what I understand the banks are&taking your old accounts that have been closed and discharging blocks of bad debt. After investigating this for some time and interviewing the president of a& bank it seems they cannot legally use your account that has not&been closed for&7 years?&(I think this is the number he told me)&So they are basically doing with old accounts what you could do with them, since you are the real creditor that gave the authority for such account.&


& &When you discharge debt with an old account number you need to know what to tell the alphabet brothers if they come to visit you, and if you cant explain your intentions&and an display accurate understanding of the process then they may make an example out of you.& I recieved a call once and&i'm convinced&it was one of them looking for an imposter. From& what I understand no one has ever gone to jail for a BOE or Draft drawn on&your opened account with the Treasury.You need to be able to show cause for what you are doing and to be able to cop a "Confession and&Avoidance" plea if they feel you out when using closed MICA&account&numbers.&


It seems like a unnecessary risk.


I know some people that discharged some mortgages with a closed account but it took just as long or longer&and the battle wasent shortened in any way. You also need to delete all routing numbers since this is bank owned. All the big dogs always say the same thing -stay away from it--The way I look at it& they can hang on and pirate my BOE or draft&all they want&--when I sent it&--and they signed&for it--the account has been&discharged-& period.&


&All attempts to collect after the fact are to get the account back up and running to collect the interest which is how they pay for their lights.The biggest problem is the contract you signed- and all the law is in"it" -there is no law outside of it"&Credit card debt&discharges are easy,&collateralized accounts are a different animal,&and if the lender isent willing to release his interest, then you need to shift gears.&


& On my mortgage since they have decided to fight me to the end and Dishonor my exemption, I am now canceling the contract through fraud (and put together a nice little package for them this week), and a mortgage contract is filed with non-disclosure -which should make them grab my BOE "n"&run for the nearest hill and settle.


All mortgage contracts are bonded and&the promissory note is factored nine times&and from I understand both original notes have to be returned to me& in the event of forclosure upon demand,. Does anyone know if this is& a true factoid? If this is fact then they can't return the original to me if it has been bonded out to others --and if I demand it& they cant finish what they set out to do!? ( any feed back ?)


& On another note :& my (our)documents are all based on Common Law and I see no reason why I can't decline all offers to settle?(summons)return it stamp and Fire them all--&and insist to be heard &in a& common law Court and remove my self from the hoodwinking brother hood of thiefs and settle the matter where the field is&level?& (any feed back on this experience ?)


eagerly awaitin !

[Ice]

ntellect,


If they returned your BoE then they have "refused" "payment"... that means you no longer owe them squat.


Please understand this:& You could send them a Prom. Note hand written on toilet paper... if they refuse it the debt is "discharged".


All this talk about "closed accounts" and all that bull -- don't bother with it.& A BoE is a lot simpler than most people would want you to believe.& And anyone that wants to debate this with me -- don't waste your time.& I've got too many "wins" and none are based on "closed account" crap the so-called "experts" keep talking about.& Not one of them has shown me LAW to back up their process.


Ice

My latest update on my mortgage:& I got an advertizment from an attorneys&office saying that they noticed my house listed in the county records for forclosure sale&this means they are right around the corner !& I have alot of irons in the fire these days and I dont want to mess with this, although I did have a majot sucsess the other day I opened up my mail&box and the title and contract stamped paid to my 19k truck was in there with a 420 dollar over pay&!!& I used a BOE this is a&good thing since I have all this going on &and I needed some relief! I just sent in to the mortgage lender a &letter pointing out and &calling the mortgage contract null and void due to fraud (something we got from &Rice) I sent it through a friend and used a post office box for the return they have&10 days to respond.& I really need some remedy here. I dont have time to even consider a land patent.& I havent been served yet but its comeing. Does what I sent stop or hold anything?& I also heard if im served (rice) that we could write across &the front& " wrong Court !& this is common law& take me into a CommonLaw Court only& this is common law docs& your FIRED "& I think he is only refering to& bonds?does a&BOE&fall under common law?&


Has anyone had any experiance with this&end &?&they have rejected my BOE and dishonered everything i sent them.&


I know I have went over this problem& but im still in the wind&with&what to do ?


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thanks !&

[rushpat]

Originally Posted by Ice

ntellect,


If they returned your BoE then they have "refused" "payment"... that means you no longer owe them squat.

That's UCC 3-603, right?


Redline, don't cash that $420 check they sent. That could be a trap. Send it back with a letter for them to use it to balance the account.

[Jerseee]

That's the honorable thing to do.


Redline,

I will yield to OT, Ice, James, Jim, SJ on this one. I just recommend that you do update the land patent---soon.

redline,


with regards to that letter...i'll offer up my two cents of what i *think* can be done (i don't know for sure as i haven't been in this situation).& feel free to tell me i'm wrong (as i could be way off base here), i don't mind!


was it a "general" notice that some ambulance-chaser sends out?


if so, that's good.


find out the lawyer(s), or group, that is responsible for the sale and send a VoD.& you can get that information easily.


a few years ago, when the tech market crashed, i had to sell my house (only been in it two years).& the settlement company screwed up and made an error in my favor.& they attempted to get the error back.& i told them no, you goofed, and i'm not responsible for your mistake.& they attempted to sue.& i got a letter from an "ambulance-chaser" offering assistance (what a joke!).& i called the courthouse and got their representing attorney's name, etc.& i called the attorney's office to get the mailing address and the actual attorney on the case.& i sent a VoD w/ CPN&immediately.& this was&all prior to being served, etc.& I NEVER HEARD ABOUT THAT CASE AGAIN!& I WAS NEVER SERVED.& NOTHING TO MY DETRIMENT THAT I CAN DETERMINE HAS BEEN DONE SINCE THEN, and that&was years ago.& if anyone thinks the ucc is bunk, well, yer wrong.& that's the second time i had 100% success (when i did it right from the start, of course).


at any rate, i hope this in some small way helps you.


jon