? on Discharge of Mortgage - Page 4

charlene · #31 03-10-2004, 11:17 AM

This might be a question that could be proven vital to the process you are undertaking.

Have you accepted any of their presements to you for value times one million dollars? Seeing as you have a TDA,you should do this and ammend the presement of acceptance to your ucc1 thru your SOS.& Have you done a ucc 11 search to see if there are any leins on property.

The only lein should be yours via your strawman.

Wells Fargo is playing a game with you ,you offered,

they refused. You might want to file their refusal with your county court house under misc. I would file copies of all papers on this at the court house. It just gives documented proof that you did send a bill of exchange and they refused. Also check at the county level also for any leins.

Charlene

Hope this helps some.

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#32 03-11-2004, 09:49 AM

Thanks to all&!& all your responces are original& and they couldent hurt as far as& the presentments times 1 million i dont understand the theory behind that,& even after i have&looked it over&a few times.& &

There is no doubt i should have perfected my land patent before i started& but i was in trouble for a while& and i just discharged hoping it would push through& because i witnessed my friend having some&good news with her property discharges.& I was hoping they would just process it like hersand have the good luck she was getting. My lender is a small outfit& and probably cant process the instrument& ?.

Jerseee ,& i would just like to "update the landpatent"& but&it's not just as easy as updating if im correct& it takes a 6 months to a year of work& I got this from a girl that came to me for credit repair and she had just finished hers and it is a&lenthy process, and one I cant work on when they are at the front gate ?& unless you know of a speedy&way to get it done?& I wish there was a service that does those ! i havent checked yet//

Rushpat,& I know the& loan is discharged when the BOE is sent and thye allso sent it back to me with a& receipt of all the docs& that i mailed them& admitting refusal !! I thought this was my ace in the hole, but&again it's not that easy. They are moving forward with out even slowing down to review anything& my&last item sent& was a& contract addressing all the fraud that is goes along with mortgage loans im hoping this will null and void the contract with thier dishonor of no answer. So my question is& since it is discharged am i not able to show the judge& and say& here is is sir& tell them to&send my deed please!! suposedly they can get the collaterial back& and the& judge is always on the side with the matrix.&

Charlene,& im familur with all the& terms& but i dont remember what& TDA& and& sOS is?

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Ice · #33 03-11-2004, 12:59 PM

Please review the thread posted by Don in regards to the Land Patent issue.& The land already has the patent, you just assert your rights in the patent.& The point is that BECAUSE THE LAND IS ALREADY UNDER PATENT THE COURT HAS NO JURISDICTION IN REGARDS TO THE LAND.

Please review the above mentioned thread.

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#34 03-19-2004, 08:04 PM

Are you a mortgage state?

seeker · #35 01-21-2005, 11:36 AM

Just wondering. IT's been nearly a year..

Seeker

oh2bfree · #36 11-21-2007, 07:52 PM

I am in the process of going through the discharge process. I am curious to know how everything went with you.

ROY THOMAS · #37 11-22-2007, 01:26 AM

Have a Notary resubmit your document as the acceptor to witness any dishonor then go for the certificate of dishonor [/color]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redline

I am in the process of&discharging my mortgage with a BOE and I would like some advise on some approaches&on what my next step could begt; and what may be their next step from your best&experience,&FYI; These are my redemption steps that have been completed:& Charge back to Mr. Snow , Name Copyright 1st version, UCC 1 in birth state and mine, I have ctc3 and a few years of study.&To discharge I sent the Mortg.co.& a BOE,&copy of&CPN, copy UCC1, a special 8 pager VOD used with much success by other groups,&a& NPAT and PAT, an original payoff stamped Acc. For Value& etc..

& I sent Mr. Snow&his orig.&NPAT and the stamped copy of the payoff with the PAT copy&and BOE copy.

The Alleged lender sent it all back to me with an attached letter with all the items listed(good receipt! thanks ha!)that they recieved and signed.&They said REJECTED and said No Contract is entered into with me and the mortgage remains in full force(They also wrote on the BOE canot process no MICA).& They said the pre-authorized transfer was paper purported to be as such.&

& I returned the whole enchilada back with a Affid. of mailing , CONDITIONAL ACCEPTANCE OFFER OF PERFORMANCE & TENDER OF PAYMENT.(And a small post it on the boe&(FYI it is common knowlg. a BOE has no &MICA and does not process through a mica&reader)I also sent a second TENDER of PAYMENT in an affidavit form the next day, everything cert. mail of course.

&They defaulted again >and have kept the whole enchilada since.

I have received numerous requests for payments in the form of standard payment slips& to letters from western&union& and other third party venders etc..&and its always the usual stuff saying im only 2 months behind (trying to get me to go back into contract)& They have called&I sent a notice of not to call& only contact by mail.

They sent me a&letter saying they were going to&start a pre-forclosure& on the 1st &and hung a door hanger on my door knob saying please call us immed.& and took a picture of it.(there office is out of state)

Most recently they sent me another letter saying "they dont except paper perporting to be a preauthorized transfer in lieu of payment" and all documents sent pertaining to this "Bill of Exchange" are being turned over to the FBI. More dishoner& I stamp all their dishoner "RETURN FOR CAUSE WITHOUT DISHONER" ETC..and return I am dealing with one person the "litigation Spe******t"

I then sent them a "NOTICE OF ERROR REQUEST FOR INVESTIGATION" in which they have only a few days left to answer.& I know which documents are next .

I just got a phone message from them asking if i would "please call them& they would make me a great deal refinacing&the loan with some great terms if i would just call "

When i was 6 days late in the past i used to get a letter from their attorney saying they were going to forclose or accelerate the loan !& now i never hear from there attorney since i sent in the discharge&??&either she said& hey its discharged if you want to fight it& go ahead& im not touchin it or &im sure they are going to at the last minute in the 11 th hour& any ideas on this tactic?>

Does any one know what their next move might be ? or what they may have planned& so i can be a few moves ahead 

I have not utilized a Notary Protest& or any dishoner paper yet& &but if i do it will be sent via third party since i have heard useing a notary is not necessary or advisable&& can any one clarify with their own idea on this? I have heard that a SPOA is the ticket to closure I am in the process of looking at&one to modify this for mortgage usage, any ideas?

please since im still in the middle of this &if you see any errors in my past entries& email it private . 

::Not looking for legal advise just an opinion::

Thanks !!!

Never Never give up!&

Shoonra · #38 11-22-2007, 10:50 AM

It's not easy to read your message, but ...
A BoE is not a tender of payment, it is yet another expression of debt. The mortgage company has the right and power to refuse it and insist on money.

David Merrill · #39 11-22-2007, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoonra

It's not easy to read your message, but ...
A BoE is not a tender of payment, it is yet another expression of debt. The mortgage company has the right and power to refuse it and insist on money.

Unless you are tendering lawful money - even FRNs are nothing more than "yet another expression of debt". Read these descriptors carefully, noting this is in 1928 before the charter expired on all the Federal Reserve Banks in 1933.

http://Friends-n-Family-Research.inf...ot_dollars.jpg

Take time to enjoy the recent American's Bulletin article FRNs not Dollars attached.

I think a successful discharge, that actually put the payment amount on all four corners like a dollar bill... - oh excuse me Shoonra did I say payment? Should I have said expression of debt?

Regards,

David Merrill.

Shoonra · #40 11-22-2007, 10:22 PM

Please tell us how successful Sara Fugue was in getting the US Treasury to give her $72Gs for that purported BoE you attached to the previous message.