Acceptance Process

[clarkee]

Hello everyone; got a little situation going on here and wondering if I might could get a little input. My car was towed in to our local Dodge dealership a few weeks back for transmission problems. i gave them the ok to go in and find out what the problem was. They told me later that it looked like the torque converter and some pump needed replacing. They weren't exactly sure. I asked, approximately what this was gonna cost and I was told somewhere between 7 and $3000.00. I made it clear that I didn't have a credit card. I told them I believe I have other alternatives to discharge this debt. Of course, this flew right over their head. The car was repaired on March 2, 2007. I asked them to fax me the invoice for the total. They would rather for me to come down because they had the invoice ready. I stated that I didn't have the means for coming there because of no transportation. HaHaHa! They faxed me the invoice and I accepted it for value and returned it certified mail return receipt. They informed me later that they didn't accept this kind of payment, only credit cards, money orders, cash, or personal checks. I said I was remitting payment with this instrument. They have called me up several times stating that they don't know how to handle this form of payment. I told them to run it across their legal desk and find out. They informed me that they didn't have a legal desk and they would take it upstairs to management. I told them ok, because this is all in good faith and there was no arguing about anything. They and I have been very nice with this transaction after all its only business. I have a stamp printed up that reads as follows:
This presentment is accepted for assessed value and returned in exchange for settlement and closure of this accounting, certified and sworn on the commercial liability of the authorized party as true, correct, and complete, with all related endorsements front and back. Pre-paid; tax exempt from levy. Adjust the account and release the orders to the authorized representative immediately. It has my account number(SS# without hyphens) My TDA Account (same as above) UCC Post Registered Account (Registered Mail Number when my package was sent to Henry M. Paulson, Jr.) Invoice number(Birth certificate number with my first 3 initials at the beginning. All of this information has been sent to the Secretary of the Treasury return receipt. These people told me they don't know how to handle this transaction. I told them to read HJR-192 and they acted or really didn't know what I was talking about. I told them that I remitted payment and I could not give legal advise on how to handle this transaction. They are lost, however, I'm without a car. At first they told me they were gonna put a mechanics lien if they didn't here from me in 2 weeks but all that has passed. I know how this process works from my end but I cannot tell them how to conduct their part of the transaction. Any input would be cool. This is kind of funny.

[SaveUncleSam]

Originally Posted by clarkee

Hello everyone; got a little situation going on here and wondering if I might could get a little input. My car was towed in to our local Dodge dealership a few weeks back for transmission problems. i gave them the ok to go in and find out what the problem was. They told me later that it looked like the torque converter and some pump needed replacing. They weren't exactly sure. I asked, approximately what this was gonna cost and I was told somewhere between 7 and $3000.00. I made it clear that I didn't have a credit card. I told them I believe I have other alternatives to discharge this debt. Of course, this flew right over their head. The car was repaired on March 2, 2007. I asked them to fax me the invoice for the total. They would rather for me to come down because they had the invoice ready. I stated that I didn't have the means for coming there because of no transportation. HaHaHa! They faxed me the invoice and I accepted it for value and returned it certified mail return receipt. They informed me later that they didn't accept this kind of payment, only credit cards, money orders, cash, or personal checks. I said I was remitting payment with this instrument. They have called me up several times stating that they don't know how to handle this form of payment. I told them to run it across their legal desk and find out. They informed me that they didn't have a legal desk and they would take it upstairs to management. I told them ok, because this is all in good faith and there was no arguing about anything. They and I have been very nice with this transaction after all its only business. I have a stamp printed up that reads as follows:
This presentment is accepted for assessed value and returned in exchange for settlement and closure of this accounting, certified and sworn on the commercial liability of the authorized party as true, correct, and complete, with all related endorsements front and back. Pre-paid; tax exempt from levy. Adjust the account and release the orders to the authorized representative immediately. It has my account number(SS# without hyphens) My TDA Account (same as above) UCC Post Registered Account (Registered Mail Number when my package was sent to Henry M. Paulson, Jr.) Invoice number(Birth certificate number with my first 3 initials at the beginning. All of this information has been sent to the Secretary of the Treasury return receipt. These people told me they don't know how to handle this transaction. I told them to read HJR-192 and they acted or really didn't know what I was talking about. I told them that I remitted payment and I could not give legal advise on how to handle this transaction. They are lost, however, I'm without a car. At first they told me they were gonna put a mechanics lien if they didn't here from me in 2 weeks but all that has passed. I know how this process works from my end but I cannot tell them how to conduct their part of the transaction. Any input would be cool. This is kind of funny.

I could be wrong, but I thought that this kind of thing only applies when dealing with a third party who takes on your debt. For example, a credit card company never sold you clothing or gas, they just bought the debt from the gas station and clothing store. A mortgage company or bank never sold you your house, they bought the debt from the seller. Because of this, you do not have a contract with this third party and therefore, you can argue this and win a discharge. I believe this to be the case. Correct me if I am wrong.
I was told that if you receive services or goods from someone, you have to "pay" them directly since there are only two parties involved and there is a contract.

[Gray]

clarkee, at the end of your post is this...

"I know how this process works from my end but I cannot tell them how to conduct their part of the transaction. "

I don't think you really do know.

You are mixing your interpretations of money.

What the mechanics did was work on your car - they put labor into the repair of it. They want a medium of exchange for the work. They want what you got when you labored, equity dough.

Your acceptance process deals in money of account, which can be used most effectively in discharging PUBLIC debt.

[clarkee]

Originally Posted by Gray

clarkee, at the end of your post is this...

"I know how this process works from my end but I cannot tell them how to conduct their part of the transaction. "

I don't think you really do know.

You are mixing your interpretations of money.

What the mechanics did was work on your car - they put labor into the repair of it. They want a medium of exchange for the work. They want what you got when you labored, equity dough.

Your acceptance process deals in money of account, which can be used most effectively in discharging PUBLIC debt.

Give me an example of PUBLIC debt then. I take it PUBLIC and Government are the same. Didn't I give them equity, my promise to pay and my signature. What is dough? It must mean debt instruments. Thats what I get paid when I work for someone. Is this really equity?
I understand what you are saying basically but the word "money" is misleading. Money is something of substance not paper. I receive a disability retirement check from Federal Civil Service once a month. What am I getting? Lets see, Department of Treasury(government agency, fiction) pay to the order of my debtor name (all caps) and I indorse the back with my living soul signature, without recourse. Fiction to fiction = debt. I really got equity didn't I. I worked roughly 20 years and I'm basically paying myself back with debt. I guess it was all free labor for the government

[clarkee]

Originally Posted by SaveUncleSam

I could be wrong, but I thought that this kind of thing only applies when dealing with a third party who takes on your debt. For example, a credit card company never sold you clothing or gas, they just bought the debt from the gas station and clothing store. A mortgage company or bank never sold you your house, they bought the debt from the seller. Because of this, you do not have a contract with this third party and therefore, you can argue this and win a discharge. I believe this to be the case. Correct me if I am wrong.
I was told that if you receive services or goods from someone, you have to "pay" them directly since there are only two parties involved and there is a contract.

What am I paying with is my question. You can't pay a debt with a debt because you would need substance for substance, their labor. I thought all we could do is discharge obligations. If I had gold or some commodity then yes, I can pay. Yes, I can give them FRN's but all I'm doing is passing on the debt.

[Notorial dissent]

Clarkee, congratulations, you have just made a donation of your car to the dealership for unpaid repairs, and they will most likely come after you civilly for the remainder of the expenses if they don’t recover it from the sale of the car.

Point of note, you do not have a TDA account, never had a TDA account, and never will have a TDA account, since those are for one purpose only, the pre-arranged purchase of treasury securities, and in the denominations they sell at you will never be a player in that arena. Your SSN is only of interest or of use to the Social Security Administration, and the IRS for any taxes you might owe. Otherwise, it is has no value in paying anything.

[clarkee]

Originally Posted by Notorial dissent

Clarkee, congratulations, you have just made a donation of your car to the dealership for unpaid repairs, and they will most likely come after you civilly for the remainder of the expenses if they don’t recover it from the sale of the car.

Point of note, you do not have a TDA account, never had a TDA account, and never will have a TDA account, since those are for one purpose only, the pre-arranged purchase of treasury securities, and in the denominations they sell at you will never be a player in that arena. Your SSN is only of interest or of use to the Social Security Administration, and the IRS for any taxes you might owe. Otherwise, it is has no value in paying anything.

Can you back this up with any proof or you just spouting off your opinion. Can you prove I dont have a TDA account? This is not the same one as buying savings bonds if thats what your thinking. What if I told you I already had arrangements to make payments if they had problems with this would you believe me? Have you personally used the A4V method yourself? We have so many people on this site that are full of ideas of what you can and can't do but no one seems to back up their claims. Are you one of those? Back your claim with evidence or dont speak at all. I'll admit, I'll try some of these methods and if they dont work I will be the first to tell this post. How come all my information was sent to the Secretary of the Treasury and it wasn't returned. I received my return receipt card about a week ago. Seems to me if something wasn't right I would of been notified. Explain

[Libertarian]

Can you prove I dont have a TDA account?

If they sue you, and you claim that you paid them, you will have the burden of proving that you do have a TDA account.

[Codee]

Can you prove that one cannot pay a debt with a debt?

[Notorial dissent]

Clarkee,

One. There is ONLY one account that is called a TDA account, and it is a Treasure Direct Account, and that is ONLY used for the purchasing of Treasury securities, and they are of high denomination, and individuals generally do not qualify for them. Plus, they are only one way, money going into the treasury.

Two. The Treasury does not act and never has acted as a checking account for anyone but the government. They may issue checks/payments to individuals, but it is from pre-established government accounts, read IRS refunds, pension payments, disability payments, whatever, and they are on gov’t accounts not individuals.

Three. There are no payment accounts anywhere that will consist of your social security number in any form. They may reference your social security number for IRS or social security payments or as a taxpayer id, but that will be all.

When you show me something from the Dept of the Treasury that says you have a TDA, or any other type of account with them, then I will believe you, until then NO.

Originally Posted by clarkee

How come all my information was sent to the Secretary of the Treasury and it wasn't returned.

Well, you see, they have this special file for documents/information like you sent to the Treasury, and it is generally round about about 18" deep and is where they put the rest of the waste paper.

Question. If I owe one neighbor $100 and have an IOU from another neighbor for $100, and the neighbor I owe the money to accepts the IOU as payment, then is not my debt discharged?