Current method of UCC filing

[Ice]

Iamfree...



You state you are a "Sovereign"... but the link I provided in an earlier post states that if you are in the "private" then you have given up your sovereignty.



This contradiction has not yet been explained.



Please do not feign that you do not understand or you have not seen the statement by J. Smith... I provided the info and have been waiting for an explaination of this contradiction. No explaination has been given but you continue to believe that you are acting as a sovereign even though you work in the "private" and not in the "public" as a Sovereign can.

[logos]

Originally Posted by kgod999

secret accounts, strawmen, the judges and attornies DO NOT KNOW what the hell you are talking about.

Oh really? You're sure they don't know what this stuff is? I've had many discussions with one attorney, and believe you me, they DO know what this stuff is. Probably not every single one of them--just as CTC3 observes, the Matrix has many of it's own agents bamboozled--but a lot more than you might think, especially judges as they have a greater "need to know". One might justifiably ask: if this "redemption" stuff is real, why don't attornies use it? why don't they and judges acknowledge it? why doesn't it work?

I'll try to answer even though some of the following has already been stated on this board: "they" don't use/acknowledge it not because it's bogus, but because they operate in the court realm. They have little power outside of there. They must have everyone thinking courts and the usual law "stuff" is where it's at, that disputes MUST be settled in court, that one doesn't have power outside of court, and, of course, that everything must be done through an attorney and no one can think about law other than them. Do you really think they will let you know otherwise if they can help it? Do you think they will admit to something that can empower you and hurt their racket? They must not let the cat out of the bag for the sake of the game, their careers, and sometimes their own personal hides.

Originally Posted by kgod999

i tried the 3 questions crap with a judge one time and he looked at me like i was from a mental hospital.

The judge knows what his court is: an admiralty/maritime/law merchant/non-common law court. It's all commerce in there, debtors and creditors. Are you sure he didn't know what you were talking about? Maybe he didn't know, but what are the chances of that? Perhaps he gave you a weird look because he was surprised you were aware enough to ask such questions. Also, part of his job is to test you. Why should he go along with what you're doing if there's either no incentive to do so, or no repercussion for not doing so? I'm not saying what you did was right, but there may be numerous reasons why it didn't work. People seem to expect agents to say: "gee whiz you're smart! damn, you've got us. you win. the game is up. darn, now i'll have to find an honest job".


Redemption is a work-in-progess, so many of us don't have the right info, or have insufficient info, and it doesn't help that the "experts" horde the knowledge. It isn't fair to call it a fraud because some people have been nailed while using it, or because some people are trying to sell the info. I'm not happy with the whole "patriot-for-profit" thing. I believe one should share information freely out of love for one's brother. How many people have been sold bad or incomplete court/"law" info over the years? It doesn't make the whole thing bogus. How many people have been nailed in the courts over the years? Alot more than with UCC/redemption. Those people were saying then that the whole court thing was fraudulent and that they did all the right things. Upon review now, we can see where they made mistakes. We had to study and refine our knowledge to where we are now. Much of what we know today wouldn't have been taken seriously ten years ago, and many would have leveled against that stuff the charges they level at redemption. Legitimate questions and concerns have rightfully been posed about redemption/UCC stuff, but we should investigate further to answer those questions and not be so quick to slam it all as being crap.


So, are we really sure it doesn't work? Or could it be we're not yet working it right?

[Jerseee]

After reading this thread, I wonder why the gurus that teach UCC redemption don't offer a free site to its followers/believers?



As I read, it would seem that with all the questions, comments and popularity of UCC redemption--one would think that the gurus would have a site just like this.



I'll do a search for one.



just a thought.......not expecting or wanting a response.

[iamfreeru2]

jerseee,



If I had the ability to start a free sight I would.



I am in agreement with Logos that the judges know what is going on. Why do you think the court rooms are emptied out before one using Redemption is brought forward? You can bet that our foreclosure case will be the last on the docket tomorrow. If they did not know what is going on then why do they try to hide it. They want people kept in the dark about it. Being in the private does not mean we do not want to share, but why should we share with people like yourselves who have blinders on and do not care about truth. The truth is the courts are NOT courts of record even though they give the appearence they are. Prove to me otherwise and that the courts deal in anything other than commerce under Admiralty jurisdiction.





Ice,



There is no contradiction as far as I am concerned. I do not know that Jack Smith made the statement you claim he made. Like I said I will ask him since I speak to him fairly regularly. I have told you why I believe I am a sovereign and if you think you can prove otherwise have at it. In other words put up or shut up. I am sick and tired of those that do not understand what we do in Redemption bashing something they have no understanding of. Redemption is ever changing as new evidence surfaces and procedures improve. It is like anything else if you do not keep up with it and study, what learned yesterday is no good today.



Prove to me the laws you use give more wins than losses. I have not seen it and I certainly do not hear about Cornforth's methods being any more effective than anyone elses. If he is so effective then why aren't things changing? Hmm.



iamfreeru2

[Jerseee]

iamfree,



good luck tomorrow--I know you are excited and pumped.



I do not expect you to start a forum (although you would be in the right). I mean, the so-called experts that deal in this.



I feel that it is rather unfair that UCC redemptionists have to go on other chatrooms and some un-organized places to find information and/or guidance. If the gurus really cared--I should be able to find a site that can organize these folks and share ifnormation and new technology on the issue.



UCC redemptionists are welcomed here although I do not embrace their passion for the technique--but I am thankful for SJ establishing a central place and get like-minded folks together without reprisal.



Something the leaders of the UCC movement have not done for their congregation. What a let down. I'm still looking though.

[iamfreeru2]

Jerseee,



Thank you for your post. I am glad you feel we are welcome her to discuss Redemption. I do not feel that from others. It bothers me greatly to see so many in this movement bashing each other when we are all working toward the same goal and that is to be free to do the things we want without interference from BB.



I will tell you I have spent allot of time losing trying to use the LAW and being shut down every time. Redemption is the only thing that I have used where I have seen results. There is no one here that can prove to me that Redemption does not work. Part of the problem why it does not work all the time is what Logos was talking about when he said "Redemption is work-in-progrss." There are people using Redemption very successfully, but just because some are having difficulty you do not through out the baby with the bath water. You can not tell me that using the LAW is always successful. Is that any reason to say what you do is crap or that it is a FRAUD? Think about it. Why are we not helping each other rather than tearing each other down. Is that productive or counter productive? This is exactly what the powers that be want us to do is fight amongst ourselves. It would not surprise me in the least to have some government plants on this site stirring things up.



Yes I am excited to get this overwith. It has been dragging on too long. We go into court at 10:00AM tomorrow morning. All we are looking for is settlement and closure and not to stir up any more controversy. We have tendered payment and that is all there is to it. If they take our home it is not because of anything we did or did not do. We have done everything needed to settle the matter. If it is taken form us we will move on and keep learning what is needed so it will not happen in the future. I pray that we will have good news to impart, but if not I still have my family and my health. Most importantly though I have my walk with the Lord. If it were not for Him we would not have anything.



Logos,



Thank you for your post as well. You said what needed to be said. I was a little angry last night so I needed to cool off, but would have made a similar post this morning. That you for the insight you gave in it.



iamfreeru2

[Jerseee]

iamfree,



I really do not want to go back into that discussion but your question deserves a response.



I call it crap because the methodolgy maybe sound and there may be results but it does not follow procedure and rules. Then there is the glaring fact that there are no public documented victories. This really bothers me because now it becomes a he said, what the guru said, what he heard about some lady in Idaho.



This is irresponsible and wreckless. This plays on the hopes of those in need and milks them of their $$$$ and then they go looking for help when the "crap" they are in gets thick. And of course, the guru cannot be found or is too embroiled in their own "crap".



I really hate to see people post things here in desparation and last minute hope with this process. It actually bothers me and stays on my mind most of the day. It really bothers me when I can't guide them to a source or answer a question that I should know (yup I have the UCC stuff gathering dust on a shelf).



iamfree, I just pray for your success. I'd really hate to see you lose things you worked hard for. I do not believe that that was God's intention.



godspeed.

[iamfreeru2]

Jerseee,



My last post to this and I will stop beating a dead horse. Whose procedure and rules are we talking about here? I thought you said you are sovereign. Then why do you follow their rules and procedures. Are those rules and procedures corrupt? I care not to follow their rules and procedures and I do not have too if I am doing things from the private side. I follow the only rule book that counts. "nough said. The end.



iamfreeru2

[Jerseee]

Have you even read some of the rules and procedures?



If you have then you would not think that they only apply to you. I am sovereign because I apply those rules to them. They do not follow rules and procedure.



Read the rules and procedures and see if you think they just apply to you. If this is what you think--then you are mistaken. They speak of common law and the Constitution in those rules you think are un-sovereign.

For example,



FRE Article V, Privilege Rule 501, part 1



Except as otherwise required by the Constitution of the United States or provided by Act of Congress or in rules prescribed by the Supreme Court pursuant to statutory authority, the privilege of a witness, person, government, State, or political subdivision thereof shall be governed by the principles of the common law as they may be interpreted by the courts of the United States in the light of reason and experience. However, in civil actions and proceedings, with respect to an element of a claim or defense as to which State law supplies the rule of decision, the privilege of a witness, person, government, State, or political subdivision thereof shall be determined in accordance with State law.



I really suggest you read them if you haven't already.

[Ice]

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