"Claim of Lien" Before UCC-1

[debtless]

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Greetings,

I am new to the UCC redemption process but I have read a couple of books on it. While I was waiting for my certified BC I discovered the following quote on the internet:

"Did you record a <u>"Claim of Lien"</u> in the county, along with a <u>Contract or Affidavit supporting the Claim of Lien before you filed a UCC-1 with the state</u>? Did both parties sign the Contract? Was consideration passed to bind the contract?

If you answered <u>no to any of the above questions, then your UCC-1 was done in fraud.</u>"

Does this make sense to anyone? Has anyone heard this before? How would you proceed to do this if it is a valid point?



Thanks for your insights,

What law says that a "Claim of Lien" must be filed before the filing of a UCC-1? If the people are supposed to know that a "Claim of Lien" must be filed, where is this law?



If it is nowhere to be found, then he must be making it up.

[charlesa6]

Tora

I concur! I don't understand that either.

[debtless]

I believe it is a procedural thing. You must make go through the process to give a "person" a chance to "make good" before filing a UCC-1 as a secured party. I looked up the "claim of lien" process and I believe you have to wait 90 days.

I looked up the "claim of lien" process and I believe you have to wait 90 days.



You looked up the "claim of lien" process?? Where?? Where can we read it for ourselves?

[Ice]

Well, is there not a private agreement?



Let's go over this again... there is the PA, the HHIA and ... should I continue?



The docs are "private" and need not be filed... anywhere. The private agreement is referenced on the UCC. These docs are evidence of the claim and "lien".



And that satisfies the concern of the first post.



Ice

[charlesa6]

Absolutely,you right on the money. Ice.

[debtless]

Thank You! that clears that up, I was just about to file a claim against the "legal fiction"

[4Integrity]

NOT SO FAST...



We Really Need To Begin To Think Outside The Box With This One. Who Says A Private Agreement Cannot Be Filed In Any Public Venue?... Anyone That Has Done The Name Copyright Knows That Your Name Is Your Private Copyrighted Property, Even Though It Is Used In The Public ALL DAY LONG. The Security Agreement Stays Private But It Is Only The Copy [I Would Assume Stamped-COPY] That Is "Posted" In The Public.



Are THEY Really Supposed To Assume That You Know What You Are Doing And Really Have A Properly Executed Commercial Agreement? For All They Know You Could Be One Of Those Damned "UCCers."



As An Authority To This Point, I Quote Winston Shrout From A Recent Post:

(The QUOTE Button Is Not Working So I'm Using The Cut And Paste Method - Excuse Me...)



Folks, what created the "lien right" in the first place?



The strawman breached the security agreement which gave rise to the lien!



And where do you think my security agreement is?



Yep, in the county recorders office with a nice big file stamp on it and all sorts of identifying numbers all over it!...can't miss it!



If you are going to do business in the public then you must register your "securities" in the public.



If you try to enforce a private contract or collect on a breach via a lien, then it has to be in the public.



What are we hiding from?



If you don't want to do business in the public, then don't go into it, and certainly do not file any UCC financing statements!



( END Quote)



Let's Work Together And Put The Pieces Together And Shove The EGO's Aside.



4Integrity

[Ice]

I don't recall anyone saying that a Private Agreement CANNOT BE filed in the public venue. <u>I said</u>: "... it need not be ..." Now, I didn't file anything in the public except for the "Notice of Copyright" and the UCC FS .... which only "referenced" the private agreement. If you want to put your "private" stuff out there for just anyone to look at ... okay ... but - I'm going to make an S.O.B. request to see it. I want to know WHO it is that is wanting to view my private agreements !

Are THEY Really Supposed To Assume That You Know What You Are Doing And Really Have A Properly Executed Commercial Agreement? For All They Know You Could Be One Of Those Damned "UCCers."

Who cares what "they" assume. It is not what they assume that counts. Remember the words "proof of claim" ?

Let's Work Together And Put The Pieces Together And Shove The EGO's Aside.



4Integrity

What left field is this from? Some of you people really amaze me with all your ASSUMPTIONS and PRESUMPTIONS when it comes to reading posts by other members. You people really love to attach emotion to what you read. Screw that and whatever trip you are on. You got a bone to pick with someone ? No ?? Sure seems like it.



Learn to understand what you read... or go back to school... do something. I know I'm tired of people reading something the way they WANT it to read and not the way it is actually "written".



And you people wonder why I don't hang around as much as I used to.



" ... shove the ego's aside ... " Really ... Give me a break !