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Old 06-13-2004, 07:06 PM
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IF HJR192 was repealed, I think we could still have a remedy via the Treasury (for as long as those "funds" lasted). They would still owe us big time.
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Old 06-19-2004, 09:42 AM
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The following link regards the repeal of HJR 192. It states that Public Law 95-147 did in fact repeal HJR 192. Please see the link at:



http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/cmlaw9.htm



I am still researching this.



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Old 06-19-2004, 11:51 AM
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I do not see where 95-147 repealed HJR 192. I do see where all banking institutions were placed under the IMF. Also, it appears to reference that coins and currencies of the United States shall not apply to obligations issued after Oct 28, 1977.



So in my reading of the text--it seems that Public Law 95-147 SUPPORTS HJR 192, it does not repeal it rather endorses the fact that there is no money.



If HJR 192 is repealed, all of congress (and maybe even the presiding judges) are charged with treason against the american people and you know what the punishment is for treason.....
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Thanks for your post. This is what I believe as well regarding treason. I have had others tell me the same thing regarding Public Law 95-147, that it repealed HJR 192. As I said in a previous post, I did not find anything in 95-147 that repealed HJR 192 either. If it did, it is hidden quite well. I will keep researching this and I will keep all informed with what I find out.



Also, when I said I was being forced to use FRNs to pay a mortgage, I should have said they are trying to force the DEBTOR to "pay in a particular kind of coin or currancy." They are using the court to try and force the DEBTOR into compliance. We shall see about that.



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In my research regarding 95-147 I came accross the link below. I rcommend all read it. It is regarding The Credit River Money Opinion and is very good. It has the links for the pages of the case at the top. Enjoy!!



http://iresist.com/ice/CreditRiverDecision.htm



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Old 06-19-2004, 01:32 PM
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You are on to something.



If HJR 192 was really repealed don't you think that when we try to use it that they will throw up 95-147?



I have yet to be refused the use of my remedy but I do couple that with case law and code as well to support my situation.
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I came across this thread the other day and it sparked my interest. Here is what I turned up.



To read Pub. L. No. 95-147, October 28, 1977, § 4(c), 91 Stat. 1227, 1229 (codified as amended at 31 U.S.C. § 5118(d)(2)), Click here.



To read a case on FindLaw which further explains gold clauses in obligations, Click here.



According to TROSTEL v AMERICAN LIFE, (U.S. 8th Circuit Court of Appeals, No. 95-3666, 1998), 95-147 amended HJR -192 but only to the extent that gold clauses were allowed in contracts after 1977. In 1996, Congress reversed itself and disallowed gold clauses with this exception: "...unless all parties to the assignment or novation specifically agree to include a gold clause in the new agreement. " Congress then reversed itself one more time in 1997 when the legislation was signed into law by removing this sentence in its entirety. Go to the link and read the case, particularly the bolded text and the paragraphs which follow it.



Bottom line: after October 27, 1977, obligations issued containing gold clauses may be paid in gold.



I did not find anything indicating that HJR-192 had been repealed.



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Old 08-29-2004, 02:54 AM
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Don't quite have this links thing down yet. Here they are longhand:



Pub. L. No. 95-147, October 28, 1977, § 4(c), 91 Stat. 1227, 1229 (codified as amended at 31 U.S.C. § 5118(d)(2):

ftp://ftp.publicdebt.treas.gov/cc5118.txt



TROSTEL v AMERICAN LIFE:

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/script...6Pv2&exact =1



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Good eye and good critical reading. Most folks miss this point. I stated somewhere in the Banking forum that this pulic law reinforces HJR 192 and clarifies the gold standard clause.
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Great job. I had forgot all about this till a couple of days ago. You saved me from having to find this. Thank you very much.



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