Entities accepting BoE's and CPNs w/o fuss

[logos]

I though I'd start this thread so people can post info on entities rumored to have accepted BoE's and CPNs as payment w/o fuss, with particular emphasis on those doing so on a monthly basis. Hopefully this won't draw unneeded attention from Big Brother to such entities. I'll start with the first one:

The nation's largest ISP (no need to name names).

I've told my former roommate about HJR-192, CPNs/BoEs, no real money, etc. He called said ISP and spoke to the 2nd-in-command attorney of one of their legal depts. He informed the attorney he wanted to arrange to have the U.S. Treasury settle his monthly bill. The attorney said they'd have to direct bill that and also asked him if he's a gov't employee, to which our hero replied, "no, but I have a *private arrangement* with the Treasury." The attorney then said, "oh, we'll have to TTL it. You're no. 11". My friend said as soon as he heard that, he knew it was smooth sailing from then on. The lawyer instructed him to send "the paperwork"--didn't say what the paperwork consists of--not to the main H.Q. but to direct it to either him or his boss at their Jacksonville office. He'll review it, sign off on it and pass it to their interns to process. Three weeks after that, my friend is to send them an affidavit or some sort of heavy-duty authorization permitting them to access the account monthly, otherwise the paperwork will be good for only that month. They chit-chatted a bit whereupon the lawyer revealed a few more things. He stated normally the company's banking is done through some big bank whose name I've forgotten, but that my friend's account will be processed through BoA with all their other gov't related accounts. Even though he's been in practice for years, the lawyer knew nothing about any of this stuff until about a year prior when his boss had to explain it to him. This confirms what another lawyer told me and what many here already know: the truth is kept from them, too.

Greetings Logos,

I say respectfully to you (and your posting) that I am very leary about attorneys, after what we have discovered. But, I would be particularly leary of ANY attorney that boasts the validity of this process, especially considering the stance of the current administration (patriot acts, etc.) We must keep in mind that they ALL work under the U.S. Attorney, and the D.O.J. And, I can assure you, they are not going to acknowledge ANYTHING that will jeopardize their fake munny system, unless it is for the purpose of ensnaring someone so as to prosecute them later. I am a firm believer in the old saying "If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is".

Sincerely,
truth

[iamfreeru2]

Truth,

I agree with you in what you say regarding attorneys, however, using a BoE or CPN when done properly is perfectly lawful and is accepted everyday. Not only do I use the BoE for IRS claims, but have used them to discharge CC alleged debt as well. Remember that we have remedy in Public Law 73-10 House Joint Resolution 192 June 5, 1933, which allows us to use these forms of discharge.

Recently I used a BoE to tender discharge on a Discover Card alleged debt. I did this in August of 2004. In September I received a letter stating the account was past due, as no payment had been received. I sent a letter that was a conditional acceptance and provided copies of the BoE I had already tendered. I asked for a response or proof of claim within ten days or there would be stipulation and agreement on the part fo DC that the BoE is sufficient for the discharge in amount, form, and substance. Instead of a response I got a letter from their attorney. I sent a similar letter to them, which I posted in another thread, but I included Florida Supreme Court ruling regarding foreign BoEs. I sent this letter on November 22, 2004 and was received by the attorney on November 24, 2004 and there have been no bills or anything more since. I am now in the process of doing this with another CCC. This is the last CC I will have to do this with and then it is cleaning the CRAs. By the way, everthying I sent was either certifed mail or registered mail with return receipt requested so I have a record of everything done and all memorialized with the use of a Notary Public.

The IRS alleged claims I have received (1992-2002) I have also used the foreign BoE to discharge those. I have even had the IRS acknowledge receipt of my correspondence and was told all further notices have been stopped. This was for 1992-1996. 1997-2002 were already discharged and the last IMF I had received showed a zero balance on the SSN account.

iamfreeru2

[iamfreeru2]

Logos,

Have you completed your move yet? You didn't call me to let me know. PM me and let me know. We need to get together. Glad to see you back on the forum.

Good Day Iamfreeru2,

Your repeated success in this arena stands noted, and it appears that I am wrong. However, it's just that I fear that they may be preparing to charge people with violations of Title 18 ficticious obligations statutes. These global gangsters are very coy and will take years to perfect their charges. As an example it is now pretty much common knowledge that the I.R.S will allow people to get away without paying for as long as several years, the sole purpose of which is to muster more evidence of "willful" failure for a jury to see.

Privately, I wholeheartedly agree that the procedure you and others are using is accurate and legitimate. It has to be this way because when they unlawfully took us off the gold standard to create their little utopian system, they had to leave a lawful remedy for those who didn't want to partake [namely, in my opinion, Christians]. I only suggest extreme caution, It is Satan's munny system, and Satan is not in the habit of letting people win for very long.

Sincerely,
truth

[iamfreeru2]

Originally Posted by truth

Good Day Iamfreeru2,

Your repeated success in this arena stands noted, and it appears that I am wrong. However, it's just that I fear that they may be preparing to charge people with violations of Title 18 ficticious obligations statutes. These global gangsters are very coy and will take years to perfect their charges. As an example it is now pretty much common knowledge that the I.R.S will allow people to get away without paying for as long as several years, the sole purpose of which is to muster more evidence of "willful" failure for a jury to see.

Privately, I wholeheartedly agree that the procedure you and others are using is accurate and legitimate. It has to be this way because when they unlawfully took us off the gold standard to create their little utopian system, they had to leave a lawful remedy for those who didn't want to partake [namely, in my opinion, Christians]. I only suggest extreme caution, It is Satan's munny system, and Satan is not in the habit of letting people win for very long.

Sincerely,
truth

Remember that YHWH has already won. I believe that YHWH is very capable of protecting His own. The biggest problem that I see with this is when the road gets tough are we going to bow to the banksters and IRS (satan) or be obedient and follow YHWH. This is when the true believers are recognized. Truth is always the hardest to follow. Lies are very easy and why I believe there is so much corruption. No one ever said the road was easy. There will always be trials and tribulation and we are called to be overcomers.

You said above "As an example it is now pretty much common knowledge that the I.R.S will allow people to get away without paying for as long as several years, the sole purpose of which is to muster more evidence of "willful" failure for a jury to see." Tell me how can there be "willful failure" when you have made a good faith tender with relliance on Public Law 73-10 HJR 192 that has been quoted word for word in Guaranty Co. of New York v. Henwood 307 U.S. 247, 59 S.Ct. 847 (1939)? Also remember there is no "money." So tell me how they can prove you did not pay? This is impossible since FRNs do not pay anything.

As far as "willful failure to file" is concerned there is none. The law states that a stement in lieu of a 1040 is lawful and that is what I do. I submit a Commercial Affidavit in lieu of a 1040. It is a matter of knowing who you are and what you are doing. I can submit a foreign BoE because I am the bank as the flesh and blood man. I not only know this, but the filings with the SOS and the SOT to back it up.

Greetings Iamfreeru2,

Again, I stress that I wholeheartedly support your efforts AND defense of this procedure. I completely comprehend and understand the logic behind the use of them (B.O.E.s). And if I were sitting on a jury in which you or anyone was being persecuted for their use, I would gladly hang the jury. But, I assert that we are now living in a society in which the old saying "You can indict a ham sandwich" is no longer just a joke, it's a reality. A gangster judge, a gangster prosecutor, and your gangster attorney, that they will appoint as stand-by counsel against your will, will all work in collusion to preclude your accurate information from even getting before the twelve flag-waving, blithering idiots they will appoint as your jury. Now, just for the fun of it, sometime feel free to check out the language in Title 18, Crimes and Criminal Procedure Sections 470 through 514 that deals with bills of exchange, foreign and otherwise, promises to pay and ficticious obligations. I am not trying to discourage you or this remedy. I am truly on your side. But, many people who are using this procedure are not even aware that these statutes exist.

Sincerely,
truth

[iamfreeru2]

Truth,

I am fully aware that the statutes you refer to exist. I understand fully what you are saying. Again I reiterate it is a matter of knowing who you are and what you are doing. The numbers of those using the process is growing. There is power in numbers and this is one reason there is so much talk of abolishing the IRS. The powers that be know what is taking place. People are fed up and we all need to stand up and say no more. We are the sovereigns and are not subject to the law (statutes). I also agree that the courts do as they please.

One of the problems is the people not saying "we have had enough." Maybe there needs to be another revolution to hold those that have been placed in office accountable. The legal battle is not working that is for sure. I am not ready to take up arms and would love to see things taken care of lawfully. There may come a time though where there is no other alternative.

I will continue to stand up for what is right. The threat of jail or prison should not deter us from what YHWH has called us to do and that is standing for truth and justice. I am reminded of how Paul reacted when he was imprisoned for the cause of Christ. He continued to proclaim Christ even when he was imprisoned. He said "For to me, to live is Christ, and to die in gain." This is how we must be when confronted with the posibility of being put away for the cause of doing what is right and doing the will of YHWH. I for one will not bow to satan (IRS, Banksters, etc.), but to YHWH alone. As I said before He is perfectly able to protect me and if I am in the will of YHWH that is the safest place I can be.

Very well said, Iamfreeru2,

You obviously have chosen to take a very valiant stance in regards to this issue, and I comment you accordingly. I sincerely hope for the best. It's just that I have some experience in contending with the types of individuals who will confront those of us who take this route. And I happen to know first-hand that they will stop at NOTHING, they have got to win for the sake of maintaining the system. And I understand that it could be said that proper discharge of the paperwork DOES maintain the system. But, that does not hold when everyone starts doing it. And I believe it is for that very reason they will stop at nothing. I suppose my views are more closely allied with that of Randy Lee and Christ's Lawful Assembly. And, I ask what would Christ do?

Sincerely,
truth

[iamfreeru2]

Truth,

I agree with you and I too ask "What would Christ do?" I believe that ridding myself and helping others to rid themselves of unlawful debts is what Christ would do. I have no problem with lawful debts at all. The reason we were given remedy in the prevously quoted law is because, I believe anyway, that a fraud was foisted upon the American people by the removal of real money from circulation and the ability to pay for goods and services. Christ would never approve of this happening and this is why I believe a remedy had to bee put into place. Nothing happens by chance or coincidence. The problem is knowing how to effect the remedy and this is a very difficult process, because the enemy will never tell you how.