Child Support Response

john4na · #1 03-10-2004, 05:09 PM

Hi Y'all,
I sent out on or about Dec a VOD package with Cert Prom Note, to the Dept Of Rev here in Florida.
I had given them 10 days to respond, then sent a notice of account, with 10 days to 0.00 out the account, then sent a notice of default, with 10 days to respond, then I have not gotten to the notice of fault yet. (They have not responded once to any coorespondance) I received in the mail yesterday my ORIGINAL VOD and Cert Promisory note in it. All pages were stamped by the clerk of the court on Jan 15th
The Cover letter says:

"Dear Mr R_____
We are returning the promisory note papers and info you sent to us. Child Support may not be included in any debt consolidation or bankruptcy proceedings, we therefore do not accept any promisory notes. I would like to also take this opportunity to inform you that a letter waring you of possible drivers licese suspension if child support payments were notmadewas sent to you on 01/15/2004. Another letter informing you of our intent to suspend your drivers license was sent on 02/10/2004 and your license is now set to be suspended as of 03/23/2004. I urge you to contact your nearest Child Support Office and make your court ordered child support payments which can enable us to stop the suspension of your drivers license. If you have any questions please call our customer service team at 800- 622-5437. Thank You."

No Signature was on this form and it was sent from the standard letterhead.

Any NON-legal sugestions?

John

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Ice · #2 03-11-2004, 01:59 AM

Yep... I have a "Non-legal" suggestion...

Rip your drivers license in half and send it back to them with&a statement that you don't need the privilege because you have the right... make sure to send in the title to your auto with "junked" written across it so that they will remove the VIN # from the state files... take off the plates and scrap them while you're at it.

Oh... one more thing...

BE PREPARED TO DEAL WITH ALL THE IDIOT COPS THAT WILL PULL YOU OVER,&KIDNAP YOU&AND ATTEMPT TO STEAL YOUR PRIVATE PROPERTY WITHOUT DUE PROCESS OF LAW.

Please see the audio / video links in the "Citizenship and Jurisdiction" section of this forum in the thread titled "Audio" for more information regarding your Rights and how they will be violated by idiots that claim they are "just doing their job".

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#3 03-11-2004, 06:23 AM

QUOTE BY= john4na

Child Support may not be included in any debt consolidation or bankruptcy proceedings,

Oh. Okay. Would you mind very much proving that to me?

we therefore do not accept any promisory notes.

That's okay, 'cause I don't take any agent's word for anything these days.

I would like to also take this opportunity to inform you that a letter waring you of possible drivers licese suspension if child support payments were notmadewas sent to you on 01/15/2004.

And I would like to take THIS opportunity to tell you I don't like being threatened. Guess we're even, right? And I'm certain, of course, you included in that letter all the required proof of authority to act upon this threat, right?

Another letter informing you of our intent to suspend your drivers license was sent on 02/10/2004 and your license is now set to be suspended as of 03/23/2004.

Hey, Mr. Nimrod. You&might wanna check the Code regarding what exactly a "driver's license" really is, what it means to "operate" a motor vehicle, what exactly a "motor vehicle" really is. You know, basic stuff like that.

I urge you to contact your nearest Child Support Office and make your court ordered child support payments which can enable us to stop the suspension of your drivers license.

And I urge you to tell me why the State is involved in my personal business in the first place!

If you have any questions please call our customer service team at 800- 622-5437. Thank You.

Now what possible reason would I have to call an agent who perceives his entire mission in life as nothing more than trying to force others to do what he says simply because he mistakingly believe he has that power?

No Signature was on this form and it was sent from the standard letterhead. Any NON-legal sugestions?

Hi, John....

The "sarcasm" in my imaginary response was not directed at you, but my loathing for all agents in general. "Child-support" is just one of my hot-buttons. The&State uses this issue to pit men against women, gives women ALL the "choice" and men ALL the responsibility. (Just add "abortion" plus "child-support" and you'll see what I mean.)

"Non-legal" advice? Sure. DO check out the&Code in your&State regarding Department of Motor Vehicles. Like taxes and all the rest, they use words in the most "interesting" ways. But I'm certain you'll find, based on nothing more than the "definitions" of the terms/words they use, that you:

1) Do NOT "operate" a motor vehicle.
2) Do NOT operate a "motor vehicle.
3)&Do NOT "operate a& motor&vehicle" under the authority of a "motor carrier."
4) Do NOT even "drive." (Virginia doesn't even define "drive." It means "drive" in the "commerical sense."
5) Do NOT have a "license."
6) Do NOT have a "permit."

And so forth.&Tell you what. Send me your email. I'll send you a letter I just sent to some moron with the VA DMV regarding this very thing. Trying to force my 18 year-old daughter to attend a "driver improvement clinic" because of a "ticket."

Later.

Randy

Jerseee · #4 03-11-2004, 09:13 AM

John4na,

first, let me congratulate you for protecting yourself.

Now, let's approach this matter as a king and a honorable sovereign--if you don't mind.&

I would keep that returned package and put it in a safe place.& that is proof of their dishonor of your payment.& Next, I would not even discuss it anymore but, i would respond to their dishonor.& just draft a letter acknowledging receipt of their refusal to accept payment.& Now this part is a power move:

when i respond to their dishonor, in my letter I make reference to the fact that they returned my payment and denied me due process.& i accepted their dishonor of my payment and i consider the matter settled.& i form a letter like this and i make a copy of their response proving their dishonor and attach it to my reponse.& next, i address the letter back to them and I send a copy of that package to other parties who may like to see that child support is refusing payments.& Parties that I would send it to would be like a few state senators and congressmen/women, the governor, 20/20, any family court judge, the better business bureau, all 3 CRAs, a close friend, a prominent women's right's group, and maybe even a priest.& this list of addressees should be in the letter for all to see--including child support.& keep everything public and in the open.

in your reponse you do not have to be specific about how you decided to pay and you do not have to mention that you used a Vod.& All you need to do is say that you offered to pay it and they refused.& And i am sure that they did not reference a vod in their response to you.& they just probably said that you cannot pay by CPN or something to that effect.& you keep the returned package as proof cause you may need to prove your claim of dishonor.& Cite any codes that support your position on dishonor of payments.

the court of public opinion is stronger that any inferior court in the land!& what do you think?& by the way, it has worked for me

john4na · #5 03-11-2004, 05:10 PM

Hi Y'all,
Thank you for the responses.
Jersee in their letter they did mention a Promisory note that is all.
Wouldn't this sound kinda hoaky when sending out the letters and noitices to all?

I am also in the process of sending in my Drivers License to the DMV here in FL
Any more info from everyone would be great, I know there are many out there dealing with child support issues also.

Just so noone thinks I am being a deadbeat, I have a motion goingto be filed tomorrow for custody of my daughter.

Any suggestions about that?
I have a CPN and UCC filed on her.

John

#6 03-11-2004, 05:21 PM

gREETINGS aLL,

I sent out a CPN to a bank here in California. The amount was small, but I requested that, "If you do not accept this (CPN) for discharge, send it back to me, and I will tender payment in another way".

The bank keep the the CPN, paid off the account and then closed it!

I am going to the bank tomorrow to see what's up...

Jerseee · #7 03-11-2004, 05:34 PM

john4a,

You need to learn about negotiable instruments.& what do you think a check, money order, CPN, BoE and a bond are?& they are all forms of payment according to the system.& All of those are backed by public policy.& dollars are backed by your faith--nothing more.

this situation has nothing to do with your personal realtionship with your child....this is only about commerce and should be nothing esle to distract you from the task at hand.& one situation at a time or you can get side-tracked into an argument.

I suggest you learn more about the UCC1 and stuff before venturing in that arena.& you may try to use it in a way that the courts may not recognize.

&

Seeklight,

Congrats.& keep us posted--I sure would like to know the results but, why even ask the bank anything?

#8 03-11-2004, 09:49 PM

Okay. Slap me silly and call me Susan, but I give up. What's a "cpn"?

(I know, as soon as someone tells me I'll feel like a moron....maybe they're hiring at the tax department....)

Randy

Ice · #9 03-11-2004, 10:17 PM

(chuckle)

CPN = Certified Promissory Note

I'm sure they could use a few new bodies at the IRS.

(chuckle)

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#10 03-11-2004, 10:31 PM

Hi, Ice!

Cracked me up! Thanks, I needed that.

Of course, I still don't know what a "cpn" is, even though I know what it stands for. But now I can start researching it.

Just getting ready to call it a night, but then I found the forum at aware group. And first one I read is YOU about BoEs, etc. Wow. Give 'em hell, Ice!

All right. I'm done. Gotta play truck-driver tomorrow. More damned bureacracy--DOT, blah blah blah...And talk about gestapo-like people. Man, them-there DOT-cops got NO sense of humor.

Thanks, Ice. I owe you.

Randy