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Old 08-26-2005, 06:55 AM
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I don't know where to start this or where to go. So here I am. Looking for instructions on how to become a soverign citizen . Probably other info later. I need to know step by step info. Can anyone help me? If so I would thank you so much. :???: :???:
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I don't know where to start this

Get your house, car, etc . . . in a pure trust(s)

OR refinance the stuff through an LLC

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or where to go.
The idea is to become a National w/in the dejure jurisdiction of your country(Florida, etc . . .)

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So here I am. Looking for instructions on how to become a soverign citizen . Probably other info later. I need to know step by step info. Can anyone help me? If so I would thank you so much. :???: :???:
Processes, paperwork are secondary to your being able to defend them in court

If you think they are going to just hand you the
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Then you are in dreamland. You need to know how to intelligently defend & stand on your position in court

The process I am following is asset protection first, status corection second

However, I will continue to study court procedure & law in the event I have to go to court & stare down the BEAST(s)

First Step:

Blacks Law dictionaries
4th
5th
AND 6th editions

2nd step:
Marc Stevens
Adventures In legal Land at the .com of the same name
Step2(a)
LB Bork - The Red Amendment at pacinlaw.org

ALSO:
How to be invisible by JJ Luna
at the .com or at Borders in the finance section

You need to know what you're doing before you start any process[/b]
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Old 09-30-2005, 10:56 PM
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Has anyone here really did this.

If so please explain.Help the huddled masses here.
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Old 09-30-2005, 10:57 PM
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Correction Done this>

Sorry getting sleepy.
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Old 10-01-2005, 11:55 AM
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I have two cents

ggma said:

The idea is to become a National w/in the dejure jurisdiction of your country(Florida, etc . . .)


Processes, paperwork are secondary to your being able to defend them in court

If you think they are going to just hand you the
  • CONGRATULATIONS, YOU FIGURED IT ALL OUT CERTIFICATE


Hey weis, ggma, SJ

My friends, ahead of our pack, are attempting their docs right now to do what ggma said.

It, our process, begins with an Apostille.....start actual study on this subject when you master court issues and "your sovereign status". The "seal" is your certificate, however the process is threefold. First, get out of the US via extrication, (extricate rather than expatriate) at the STATE level. Next is the US Federal Level, at which time you would submit your docs to Condoleeza for "seal" and lastly, on the international level to the UN and Hague (to the Office of the High Commissioner for Universal Human Rights

His docs are complete at the US level right now. I'm looking at a compilation of his works (being "bound"), and a key he uses is "authenticity", written by him, and submitted by him. At any rate, in it, he addresses all the issues that may face a "nation" including laws, administrative procedures, the rules of his court, the mindset of his people (himself), and other things like his nation's (his) cultural aspects, their belief, his postal issues, and his MONEY issues. This includes bonds and international commerce.

When all of this is complete, he will then be "enabled" via the "seals" of his own authority on bail and bonds. I would have to get permission or get him on SJ to elaborate the steps. I began some explanation of the first part in thread: How to use your state's APA

Also, I personally tendered two bonds, which were both refused. I am not a bondsman according to their terms. With this information my friend seen an avenue which he determined will work for "him". All cases are unique in themselves. I put in first, an "Appearance Bond" to the Cheif Administrative Clerk. He sang and danced, etc., I finally left his office. The next bond I attempted, was a "Bail Bond" (after incarceration) and that was also refused. These warrants were issued for contempt (and insurance bonds are a totally separate issue). What we realized, was that I did NOT have "authority" to issue the bonds. So we went in search of this "authority" and using their rules and laws, we will take it back, indefinitely.

There are other ways people do it, I just wanted to relate how we are doing it. Hope this helps you weis. I will keep this post abreast with his accomplishments.
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When his "authority" is returned/established in "him", he can write bonds for anybody. Need one?
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Invite your friend over....sounds like a powerful ally in the pursuit of liberty!
But I do have a question for you Leiahi. In extricating yourself out of US citizenship, you have no dejure "state" status due to the fact the Kingdom of Hawai'i was illegally overthrown by corp US. Would this make you stateless or cause you to become a subject of Hawai'i and its "exiled" king? (cant remember his name, but there is a lawful pretender alive today) I guess further research needs to be done, otherwise you might go from one taskmaster to another.

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A ucc or any other evidence that establishes the difference between you and the fiction!!!
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Click on the Forum Page and go down to Educational and learning under UCC.,and also members resources under UCC.
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de Jure Bonds

Good post, Live fire, thank you. I AM.

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Invite your friend over....sounds like a powerful ally in the pursuit of liberty!
But I do have a question for you Leiahi. In extricating yourself out of US citizenship, you have no dejure "state" status due to the fact the Kingdom of Hawai'i was illegally overthrown by corp US. Would this make you stateless or cause you to become a subject of Hawai'i and its "exiled" king? (cant remember his name, but there is a lawful pretender alive today) I guess further research needs to be done, otherwise you might go from one taskmaster to another.


Livefire, I appreciate your keen awareness.
I've invited this guy since I've found SJ!! ..... soon. He knows I'm here and collaborating and I can post, but I can't provide downloads of the docs without him... he's the forerunner!

Facts as they stand, are the purpose for the/our Apostille procedure, and the ensuing "Home Port" Doctrine (based on the laws of zoning: explained below) and the establishment of an "individual nation status", which btw, is what this movement, and WE ("one's") are all about. A Sovereign is "one" only. This sovereignty of Hawaii was returned to the "people" upon the 3rd King being aprised of the "value" by and of the "outer" world peoples. Hawaii (Kingdom) delegates have been to many countries and have many treaties with them, which were established way BEFORE the US took over. We even have a few with the US! This is termed the "illegality". For what is treaty law? Broken for more than 110 years........law of the land?

Thus, we are de Jure, because of this "illegal" overthrow, and still maintained just not "recognized". It is now termed the "de Facto" government of the US. That's all it is, that is all they are.
I cannot fall into a de Jure status, only according to the US, but I still maintain my sovereign status, that was established prior to those events and no event can change what came before it. Nunc Pro Tunc. Treaty. Besides, Hawaii and Alaska, in legal and lawful terms, are not states but simply operate under prize. Intersting concept if you look deeper. We were never at WAR, so how can prize be an option? Prize in stealth? It was theft on a global scale for the lining of the power building pockets... they wear those pockets now! They are the ones who came up with HJR 192, after the fact.

At any rate, the issue here is the bonds and how to operate them. We have determined a way to make them operate under "international" commerce. And this "procedure" existed prior to or concurrent with nation "states" commerce, as history tells it. Countries had to "pay up" in commerce! This will go directly back to and is associated with Admiralty and Maritime laws across the high seas. This his how "it" (commerce) and the "instruments" payable was established in the first place.
I can only elaborate on what we know, and what avenues we have decided to travel. BTW, "travel" is a key word. Why should anyone need a "licence" to travel on the high seas? Under a sovereign nations' (one's or any named country's) priveleges and benefits (aka as or for protection), it was deemed a "state" requirement. As Sovereigns, it's not required but where we "domicile" as such, is effected, and we may fall (unwillingly or unwittingly) into situations that may require these bonds. How to authorize, operate, and apply them, is where we believe we have the documentary eveidence to make these statements. Mind you, I'm only beside and behind this and their (my friends) momentous juncture. It's difficult at best to play along the standard lines of the Sovereign "movement", much less have our own major (national/Hawaii) issues. We are marrying "all" things (state/national/international/global) to acheive the ultimate free "status". Yet, taken in a broader look at all things, we stand nowhere.... (and neither do THEY, neither do you or I). As in all things, we are a work in progress, and that's a "simple" veiw we're expediently and humbly trying to expound on.

A small outlook on the HOme Port Doctrine:
Establishing your "HOme Port" or Port of Entry: ....We're re-writing the birth certificate and acquiring the actual "registration" form that our Mothers' signed. My friend here, received his actual registration that his mom signed during the BC "appliction" process. When you reach a certain point in this process, you will arrive here too, and on request, can receive it BACK! This is what "triggered" my response, to filling in the blanks of the procedures and process'. Learn, learn, learn. The Laws of Zoning, are determinate of your domicile in global terms to latitude/logitude. When you claim the "area" of domicile and "entry", you up them to the terms of "authority" of title. All land mass, "countries", courts, and claims, are disctinctly related to "title" even unto the land you stand on reading this.
When we realize "how the game is played" we can then, and only then, play along, by the rules of the games (established on a global/intenational scale) and begin to succeed at it. It's really not a US or Hawaii issue, it's what they/we havewith, to enter into the global market. The IMF i.e. Commodities and Securities. That's what the BC's are, and any/instruments that bear our signature, including a bond.

FYI, the current US monetary system, was established on the basis of the Hawaii Mint, spearheaded and sold to the Govt. by an American in the Kings Court. They proceeded to "use", further, and expedite the idea, eventually disregarding Hawaii, sealing the genocide. (To have a nation "state" status the following is required: 1, A land mass and population to govern, 2, A Government, including money systems, and 3, A language/culture unique in itself (can be my own way of licing/speaking) Quite an interesting story, and applicabale to "International Law" and its roots. In the very broadest sense... the US used Hawaii to establish so much of it's "inter-nation-al" laws that are applied unto this very day. Wonder why they don't recognize they are "de Facto" .....they can NOT recognize that which they've converted to fiction. They (the common misconception US) do not or will not see what is truly de Jure. Common sense for fictions.

I DO have a de Jure Status that only needs a re-organization within the international boundaries, and that has nothing to do with the US! I and all "one's" in Hawaii are not stateless, we are our own "states". This is a task with umpteen miles of research already but, we won't stop there! This path leads us to truth. Ours (mine, yours, or any being) and Theirs (theirs as in the US, the UN, and the Global Powers). This is a daunting task, hopefully not in harms way! My OWN Sovereign (body) nation, is a player now, and not just a NUMBER! Look up the numbering process, you will be astounded at what you may find, including these bonds we write!

I will continue to elaborate for all and SJ.
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