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Anyone got processing instructions I can submit with my BOE to the bank in regards to them processing it through the TTL (electronics funds transfer)? Hoping to make it as easy as possible for the bank to process the BOE. So if they do decide to dishonor it I can use the instructions as an exhibit in my court filings. Add a little weight to my case for the judge!
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04-06-2004, 07:02 AM
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>I was just looking at the CPN from CTC3. I had thought that it had a condition of verifying the debt. It looks like that is in another part though. I have often wondered about the verification condition and if that negates the “negotiable instrument”. </FONT>
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04-07-2004, 03:31 AM
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Ice or Jersee any help comin my way?
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04-07-2004, 09:32 AM
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dashboy,
unfortunately I cannot assist in anyway with the boe process because it is using their banks and it appears to be using some type of account.
I only use public policy to negate the whole thing.
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04-07-2004, 10:59 AM
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Dashboy, I must agree with Jersee... I believe you will find all the leaders at this forum will not touch this process because nobody can explain why and how it is a lawful process.
Like Jersee stated, I would use public policy.
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I have used a BoE in the past... but I do not use the processes that are widely "sold" in redemption circles.& I do not use a "closed account" nor do I reference any "account" number that comes from a bank.& I do not send anything to the Treasurer.& With all the crap going on in regards to this process -- I will not assist anyone with it.
Read HJR 192 -- does it say anything about contacting the Treasurer?... TDA?... closed account #?... or any of the other crap that you probably have been told?
The thing is, you want to send it to a bank... the very institution that started all the trouble in regards to the BoE because we figured out how to keep them from making a profit and break free of the slavery they would keep us in.
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04-07-2004, 12:24 PM
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dashboy, its all a accounting entry like a check book transaction, thats what the TTL is for. before you touch that, get the bank to agree to the process FIRST!!
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04-07-2004, 06:25 PM
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Would one of you "knowledgeables" (Ice, Jerseee, SuiJuris) explain the difference b/t a CPN, a BoE and the VoD?& thanks so much for helping illuminate those of us at the beginning of the path!
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CPNs and BoEs are forms of negotiable instruments.
The VOD is a package called "Verification of Debt" which includes a CPN.
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Originally Posted by dashboy
Anyone got processing instructions I can submit with my BOE to the bank in regards to them processing it through the TTL (electronics funds transfer)? Hoping to make it as easy as possible for the bank to process the BOE. So if they do decide to dishonor it I can use the instructions as an exhibit in my court filings. Add a little weight to my case for the judge!
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Dashboy: Have you acquired a copy of Barton Buhtz's material on setting up a UCC Contract Trust Accrual Account with the Treasury?
From what I've heard one shouldn't bother sending a BoE to the bank as they probably won't process it. You can eventually prevail against them, should they take you to court, but it's not worth the grief.&See <U>Bank One v Robert Ward</U>. One should presumably send the BoE and its associated paperwork to the Treasury Secretary instead. For some reason, it seems the people who are using BoE's/Treasury accounts don't want to talk about it. Some claim that "closed account" stuff is crap but the legal definition of it alone is a clue that there's probably something to it.
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