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logos · #31 05-25-2004, 03:59 PM

iamfreeru2:

I found it interesting what Jack Smith had to say about the reversal of Sara's case. Supposedly, the plaintiff's lawyers lost the first time (in part) because they were in dishonor by arguing the BoE was bad. Presumably, they wised up or got more competent laywers who remained in honor by not arguing, but instead got an investigator from the State's comptroller of the currency office to testify the BoE was bad.&If I recall correctly, Jack&claimed&the case&was reversed because she dishonored by&then&arguing the BoE was good. There never was an evidentiary hearing on the BoE. Without findings of fact/law that this hearing could have provided, the appeals court had nothing to work with, hence the case was remanded back to the lower court. The lower court judge purposefully didn't allow for such a hearing because, knowing the&lawyers would appeal his decision,&he didn't want to put his appeals court colleagues into&the position of&having to expose the game. Jack warned this would happen.

If this is all true, I'd have responded to the "bogus BoE" claim&by stating: "Please produce the Certificate of Protest evidencing dishonor so I may take corrective action." I'm thinking such a statement would constitute both a conditional acceptance&upon proof and an offer of performance. As long as it appear to be "regular in form", I don't think it's up to any&"expert" to claim&a draft&is&"bad". Only the drawee (Treasury Secretary in this case)&can make&one "bad" via dishonor.

Folks, is my logic sound? I'd like to know if I find my self in such a situation.

#32 05-25-2004, 05:18 PM

I prefer Winston Shrout's method of discharge (A4V, then BOE with their dishonor the commercial energy to "discharge",original BOE is held by notary since he never gives them the original without an EXCHANGE (the E in BOE stands for EXCHANGE). If they dishonor this, notary issues certificate of non-response and you bring a complaint against them for damages (for not paying you, and/or not discharging the debt). Anything else is funding terrorism.

BTW, I posted a message in another forum about the Silver bond: DO NOT USE, and dont' share it. Here is a direct link with the details....

http://www.suijuris.net/main/suijuri...showtopic=5529

Jerseee · #33 05-25-2004, 05:59 PM

Todd,

That would be ideal if we could get all the notaries to grow a pair and do their duties.& Don't ya think?

I do not like scared notaries that is why I mentioned that.

iamfreeru2 · #34 06-07-2004, 12:55 PM

Hello,

I would like to mention that Sara Fugate has issued a Letter Rogatory in the private regarding her tendered BOE. I also believe she has entered an appeal in her case. It is not over by any means. I speak to Sara on occasion and I know the paralegel as well that has been helping her.

I have done the same thing in my foreclosure case. WE sent the Judge, SOS, Mortgage Company, Clerk of the Court (County Recorder), Attorneys for the MC and John Snow a Leter Rogatory with Affidavit. We will now wait and see what transpires. In the Letter Rogatory we are requesting an investigation of the Confidential Commercial Information and settlement and closure of the account. We are asking for a determination of sustainability of submitted confidential commercial information, as exempt from disclosure.

Last year we were told that the BOE we tendered was a fraud and were threatened with prosecution, which never happened. In my opinion the attorneys knew they did not have a case. The only one that can state whether the foreign bill of exchange we tendered is a fraud or not is John Snow. He is not talking and is prohibited from doing so by the PA, Title 5 USC Section 552a. What he has said is " If you do not receive a Notice of Dishonor from me in 15 days the debt is discharged." The Letter Rogatory and accompanying Affidavit is intended for all parties at interest to go to John Snow and he is not talking. He probably will say, what part of if you do not receive a Notice of Dishonor from me in 15 days, the debt is discharged, don't you understand? He has already stated that when he receives the BOE he holds (honors) them. Under the privacy act an investigation is required.

iamfreeru2

iamfreeru2 · #35 06-07-2004, 01:03 PM

Todd,

As far as the Silver Bond is concerned, Winston is using them with great sucess. I have also been told that Walter Chek did not invent the SB. You may want to check out your source, research it. I have the SB and will be using it if need be.

iamfreeru2

iamfreeru2 · #36 06-07-2004, 01:19 PM

Logos,

The reason I use the UCCFS number is the fact that the number is established as the UCC Contract Trust Account Number when the documents are sent to John Snow either certified or registered mail return receipt requested. And no HJR 192 does not say anywhere a UCC needs to be filed, but since the UCC is what is used against us we file a UCC 1 to capture the STRAWMAN and give us, the Secured Party priority over it. When filed the document becomes a administrative legal record of this fact and cannot be disputed. I believe that everything we do comes under the UCC and commercial law.

iamfreeru2

redpilltaker · #37 06-09-2004, 02:11 AM

Iamfreeru2:

Very curious about who can confirm what John Snow said about BoE's...

I think I listened to Jack's meeting about John Snow's comment and the other story was about the Chase bank turning in a BoE as part of their quarterly taxes to the IRS and it was supposedly accepted....

Not sure how to confirm this though...any ideas?

RPT

iamfreeru2 · #38 06-09-2004, 06:12 PM

redpilltaker,

The comment was made by Snow to a Congressman , I believe. It is documented and I think I can get that for you if you want. I have a paralegal friend that has it.

I have heard of BoEs being accepted in the past and I tendered two of them to the IRS for NODs and my IMF shows zero owed. Can't verify that the BoEs did it, just know what my IMF says since tendering them.

I filed with the court today a Silver Bond in the foreclosure case that has been filed against us for our home. The Silver Bond is backed by lawful money (silver coin) witnessed and memorialized by notary and has been recorded with the county recorder (clerk of court) here in Florida. Winston Shrout and Barton Buhtz and been using it with great success. It is also used to discharge IRS claims an comes under authority of Article 1 Section 10(1) and the 7th Amendment of the Constitution of the united States.

iamfreeru2

redpilltaker · #39 06-09-2004, 08:01 PM

Iamfreeru2:

Yes!!

Please do find that quote...

As I learn this stuff, I am looking for ways to use our exemption...

But, I also don't want to discharge debts by way of a process that would allow the money power to "charge off" or "write off" these unpaid debts that someone might discharge...in the end, all that does is add to our countrymen's liability...

I want to use what is mine to take care of my business...if a BoE would allow access to funds waiting to be used by the people that wake up...I want to do it that way...

Thanks to everyone for sharing!!

RPT-

iamfreeru2 · #40 06-09-2004, 11:12 PM

RPT,

I will be talking to my friend tomorrow and will try to get that quote for you. The problem with the BOEs is not with the Secretary of the Treasury it is with the taxing agencies, the bank, etc. They do not believe us regarding the bond number from the back of the SS card. Hence the use of the Silver Bond. The bond is in the amount of Twenty-one Dollars in Silver coinage, minted by the American Treasury (at the legal and lawful 24 to 1 ratio prescribed by law) under the Coinage Act of A.D. 1792. The Silver Bond actually will discharge (zero) the debt. FRNs are liability instruments and only increase debt and never discharges it. FRNs add to the liability not the Silver Bond or the BOE.

iamfreeru2