UCC Discuss topics relating to the UCC, such as negotiable instruments, collection, etc.


Go Back   Suijuris Forums > Educational & Learning > UCC
User Name
Password

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 07-17-2005, 02:42 PM
fulltitle's Avatar
fulltitle fulltitle is offline
Come and Get Some!
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: kingdom of heaven
Posts: 1,577
Taking for Value

without Prejudice

Last edited by fulltitle : 02-05-2007 at 10:37 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 07-18-2005, 09:33 PM
logos logos is offline
Practice Makes Perfect
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Connecticut Republic
Posts: 266
Send a message via AIM to logos
Interesting points you make and it's worth looking into further. I'm not sure taking an instrument for value will always render one a holder in due course. I think Jean Keating said (for reasons I forget) there can't be a holder in due course for a promissory note. Do you have more info on this?
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 07-18-2005, 10:49 PM
charlesa6's Avatar
charlesa6 charlesa6 is offline
Come and Get Some!
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Illinois(chi-town)
Posts: 5,076
Quote:
Originally Posted by logos
Interesting points you make and it's worth looking into further. I'm not sure taking an instrument for value will always render one a holder in due course. I think Jean Keating said (for reasons I forget) there can't be a holder in due course for a promissory note. Do you have more info on this?
What jean keating said,the Principal is the Holder in due course of the original account,so the principal entitle to discharge the debt. Which mean, you own the both side of the account of the common stock , prefered stock,and the principal of the account that make you the creditor by itself. What the creditor do, pay their debt. So accept for value and consideration in return for post settlement and closure.
__________________
Resolution pending

Last edited by charlesa6 : 07-18-2005 at 10:51 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 07-18-2005, 11:21 PM
logos logos is offline
Practice Makes Perfect
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Connecticut Republic
Posts: 266
Send a message via AIM to logos
Thanks, charlesa6
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 07-18-2005, 11:26 PM
charlesa6's Avatar
charlesa6 charlesa6 is offline
Come and Get Some!
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Illinois(chi-town)
Posts: 5,076
You are welcome, Logos.
__________________
Resolution pending
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 07-19-2005, 12:41 PM
fulltitle's Avatar
fulltitle fulltitle is offline
Come and Get Some!
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: kingdom of heaven
Posts: 1,577
Without Prejudice.

Last edited by fulltitle : 02-05-2007 at 10:37 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 07-19-2005, 03:12 PM
fulltitle's Avatar
fulltitle fulltitle is offline
Come and Get Some!
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: kingdom of heaven
Posts: 1,577
without Prejudice

Last edited by fulltitle : 02-05-2007 at 10:39 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 07-19-2005, 10:15 PM
fulltitle's Avatar
fulltitle fulltitle is offline
Come and Get Some!
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: kingdom of heaven
Posts: 1,577
UCC ยง3-409 "Acceptance"

without Prejudice

Last edited by fulltitle : 02-05-2007 at 10:39 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 07-25-2005, 10:58 PM
dashboy's Avatar
dashboy dashboy is offline
Practice Makes Perfect
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: California
Posts: 329
Ummm,
What are you guys trying to apply the term "Taking for Value" to? I am getting the feeling that you guys are mixing or confusing things up a bit.
Jean Keating came to understand that there is NO Holder in Due course upon a promissory note because the true issue over the promissory note is OWNERSHIP of the ASSET and OWNERSHIP of the DEBT contained within the promissory note.

A promissory note is like a coin. It has a heads and a tails side. A debt side and an asset side! Who owns what is decided by who does what!

Did the bank give you their money in return for ownership over the asset side? If they did then they are the asset owner! If not, then you are the asset and debt side owner!

A promissory note is a debt security! What is a security? It is a financial asset with an underlying debt! If you are the issuer of the note and a second party accepts it for deposit into a securities account, then you are the Owner of both side of it.

One can only become a holder in due course by becoming the OWNER! YOU ARE THE HOLDER IN DUE COURSE IF NOONE PURCHASED THE ASSET!

The "value" in take for value can be anything, but in most case it is the debtor's "PROMISE" that is the value.

Start understanding that "bank loans", and I use that term very looosely, in its true sense is NOT an actual loan per say but actually is a "payment order" done by you through the bank. They just dont tell you about it!

To get a better understanding of whats going on, read article 8 then go back and read article 4. This will differentiate negotiable instruments from instruments!

Promissory notes are not negotiable instruments! They are securities! They are monetary instruments! You must distinguish between the two!

dashboy~
__________________
I just figured it out! It's all for free!
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 07-26-2005, 01:37 AM
fulltitle's Avatar
fulltitle fulltitle is offline
Come and Get Some!
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: kingdom of heaven
Posts: 1,577
Negotiable promissory notes...

without Prejudice

Last edited by fulltitle : 02-05-2007 at 10:39 PM.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
SS docs for taking control of the trust futop Citizenship & Jurisdiction 3 07-05-2005 12:53 PM
taking the pink pill-- then what? zoney Success Stories 7 11-23-2004 10:35 AM
My business taking another to court... juststartingout Court 0 06-11-2004 04:26 PM


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 05:39 PM.
Powered by vBulletin Version 3.5.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 2.4.0
2003-2008 Copyright by Law Research Group, LLC Terms of Use | Sitemap | Privacy Policy | Notice/Disclaimer