07-24-2004, 01:02 PM
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Please stop confusing the issues with the STRAWMAN and "flesh and blood Man" arguement. None of that is necessary to do that which we discuss.
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07-24-2004, 01:33 PM
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Iceman,
I am definitely leaning more towards operating without a UCC FS
since SJ referred me to Clyde's stuff(He be illin')..
I was confused when at the beginning of the thread the use of a UCC FS was mentioned in tandem with other UCC stuff such as commercial liens & true bills, etc...
Therefore I am not grasping the first principles of who the debtor might be in a practical example & application.
I'l cross that bridge when I get to it.
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07-24-2004, 01:48 PM
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Are you refering to Clyde Powell?
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07-24-2004, 02:38 PM
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weishaupt,
If someone owes you money... they are the debtor and you are the Creditor. Note that I stated the UCC FS was just "public notice" of a debt and the lien under rule 64 has more weight. It can still be filed... but I would file it after filing a lien under the rule.
That's the practical example.
Seeker,
Lawwork(s) is what he is referring to.
Ice
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07-24-2004, 03:01 PM
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Roger 'Dat
Now, say the IRS withheld my wages from previously filed W-4's in order for the DoC to conduct their corporate affairs.
Would that make me the creditor?
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07-24-2004, 03:29 PM
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Do you have a claim against them? Is the claim valid? Can you support your claim citing law, contract, etc.?
You may think you are a Creditor... but can you offer PROOF that you are?
Ice
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07-24-2004, 03:49 PM
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.I believe it would be next to impossible to trace a paper trail from my witheld wages to how they allocated it in order to prove I'm the creditor.
I shoulda brought my Vaseline with me when I filled out that W-4 because they sure didn't use it.
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07-24-2004, 03:56 PM
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I hate to laugh at the situation... but your statement pretty much sums up what the W-4 is about. When we use one we are basically "bending over".
Ice
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07-24-2004, 09:45 PM
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I had been looking for info on how to cancel the W-4 but haven't had much luck. I have filled one out and put "Exempt" but I found out the hard way that that ain't the way to get all your earnings.
Can someone point me in the right direction? I want to stop them from withholding SS also.
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07-25-2004, 12:38 AM
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Kaos,
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