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Old 04-15-2004, 07:08 PM
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BOE's and the exemption



I've been thinking about BOE's and how some people claim to have discharged debt's&using such an&instrument that cited&Public Policy w/o having&been drawn on a Treasury account.&I think anyone who&has succeeded in this manner has merely "lucked out" for&various reasons. Such a document is, I believe, bogus.&By definition and operation, a BOE (in it's various flavors) must have a drawee. Who would be the drawee on the aforementioned type of "BOE"? The drawer is "ordering" Public Policy to pay/credit the payee? It doesn't make sense. Such a document can and should be rejected because it doesn't meet the requirements for being a BOE. If I were a lawyer for a bank that was tendered&such a "BOE" to discharge a mortgage for example, I should be able to win a foreclosure case on that point w/o bringing up the uncomfortable topic of Public Policy (HJR192,&PL73-10). People who have had successes using such a document may have&prevailed because the payee was willing to go along with it and knew&some way&to use&it despite the lack of a drawee, or because the judge didn't want to deal with the Public Policy issue, or some other reason.


Public Policy provides an exemption. When&this concept is mapped&into&an accounting&construct,&we have&(in theory) "unlimited credit". Public Policy is the <U>basis</U> for the credit, not the actual credit itself any more than a regulation, statute or code can be a credit (or debt, for that matter). You can't write a check or&draw a money order--BOE's themselves--on regs, stats, or codes. The "big" BOE is no different.


Don't get me wrong. I think one can access one's exemption w/o having a Treasury account; Public Policy stands on its own. There probably is a way to do this,&but whatever that document is, it's not a "drawee-free" BOE.
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Old 04-15-2004, 07:16 PM
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Re:BOE's and the exemption



What if the BoE references the UCC FS filed against the STRAWMAN instead of a "closed account"?


FRN'S are nothing more than an IOU being passed from one hand to the other... right?& A BoE that references the claim against the STRAWMAN... basically one that says "here is a debt that I am owed... you can have part of it"... is the same thing... is it not?


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Old 04-15-2004, 07:38 PM
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logos:& The BoE that does not involve the treasury still may have the&required&parties you believe it lacks (drawee, drawer/acceptor, payee).


Depending on how it is drafted, it&can be&an order from the flesh-and-blood man (drawer)&to the STRAWMAN (drawee) to pay the payee.


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