Tradename or Copyright?

This is not on Copyright, or trademark, but it is a decent question I think, and that would be on Collateral Descriptions, I am confused about , what type of collateral descriptions does one need for a Chapter 7 Bankruptcy proceedings in thier Security Agreement, and also how about the Financing Statement, are Supergeneric descriptions allowed, as long you have adaquate Collateral descriptions in your in your Security Agreement, and if so does anybody know of any wording to get an adaquate Collateral description in your Financing Statement? I was thinking one way might be to have the Respondents/debtors fill out Bankruptcy form 5, which is a complete description of all the collateral in the Debtor's name, and when the debtors or Respondents default, and don't fill it out that WILL SERVE AS AN ADAQUATE COLLATERAL DESCRIPTION!!



Oops I'll have to figure out how to get my name to show heh!



-lithmus

[Ice]

Why a bankruptcy? Who is the Debtor? Who is the Creditor? Why a Chapter 7?... instead of a Ch. 11?



What is the purpose behind the bankruptcy? How and why is the bankruptcy being tied to the security agreement / contract between the STRAWMAN and the "Man" (creditor).



Can you be a little more detailed as to what is going on and what the actual goal is??



Ice

Why not a bankruptcy? The debtor is the city police officer, the Creditor is me, why a chapter 7 instead of an 11, for the purpose of total liquidation, the purpose is to make the thieves think twice before they steal somebody's property.The reason why the bankruptcy is being tied to the security agreement / contract between the STRAWMAN and the "Man" (creditor), is because I am sick and tired of being told how I am to think, act, and behave. What's going on is that they stole my car, they dishonored my bill of exchange, and they should be held accountable for being a thief, and improperly using my exemption, which I allready pre-paid for. I mean Ice,what would you do?



-lithmus

[Jerseee]

Lithmus2,



Welcome to the forum.



Your about to be re-awakened. This thread should be real good.

without getting too involved in this whole matter, i believe the doing business as (dba) is the best tool to use with any of this copyright stuff. they will make you look like a fool in court standing on just the copyright notice.

Well thank You Jersey!



You know Kgod999, I was thinking of doing this non-judicial.

BTW

Anybody have a good tradename paperwork?



-lithmus

to clarify why i said they will make you look stupid in court. If you go after the "wrong" person for copyright violations, court is where you are GONNA end up over a frivilous claim that they are saying you are making for using your name, thats when they will try to make you look like a fool. Look, and this is just my opinion, we keep saying we wanna stay away from arguing with these people, and using a tradename or copyright name doesnt ADDRESS the issue that is involved when they are using your name and opens up a side track discussion in which you give them the opportunity to argue about the validadity of your copyright, vs the issue that started the mess. Im personally staying with contracting them to honor the law and hammer them for violating the law by contract vs the stuff about strawman copyright, it just gives them the door they need to argue and print your name in the paper as the kook who copyrighted his name.

Well isn't that why you get the tradename, so that they can't come back on you and say that you are contracting with yourself? When they know very well the truth, don't let them fool you. I agree with you about the contract thing, though I would try to stay out of the lower courts, because they will try to mow you over, i would go with district court (Federal).



About the sidetrack discussion, I would say you can stick your security agreement / contract whatever you want to call it, what is the state going to admit that they have a claim over your strawman / corporation, and blow the lid off the whole scam? Lets see your claim mr. State, otherwise I have a Valid claim.



-lithmus

its all about choice of weapon. i prefer sticking them to common law because even a uneducated juror can figure out that without a damaged party, gold or silver coin, etc. that they have no valid claim or charge. See, ive NEVER HEARD of anyone collecting on a ucc1 security agreement or even a copyright invoice, but ive heard of plenty of people being mowed over in court using that stuff. From personal experience, common law works better. Ive seen a case where some people brought up the strawman stuff in court along with some other stuff and scared the hell out of the judge and district attorney, but it was the WHOLE OF WHAT they were doing, not JUST the strawman stuff. Again, i dont overstand why people are still caught up in a process that has no teeth in it as far as enforcing it. Many would disagree but im speaking from the track record. If this were a basketball league, the courts would be Phil Jackson and the people using the strawman stuff would be the Los Angeles Clippers, plenty of talent but no championship rings.

What common law weapons do you know about? The affidavit, is tha a common law weapon?





-lithmus