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Old 02-14-2008, 07:21 PM
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Not sure Birth certificate applies.

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He has rendered any Cuban investors fools by being absent there to produce and supposes that by getting a US citizen birth certificate now, this late in the game, he can encourage investors on a liened asset?

Maybe I am not looking at this properly - but in about any language, that is fraud.



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Unless the US has a trade out for birth certificate with Cuba for each immigrant that they issue a CITIZENSHIP DOCUMENT to... Correct me if I'm wrong here... but if you join the US as a 14th ammendment citizen you have to give up your birthright from your origin country. There are no dual-citizenship US citizens. My guess without specifically reserching the issue but I would review the 14th ammendment carefully. I'm certain your answer will be there.
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Old 02-14-2008, 07:39 PM
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I do not understand why he would want a certificate of birth in the first place. The absence of which might bear some hardships, but a man without the certificate is a free man.
oops I forgot about the citizenship thing.
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Old 02-14-2008, 08:01 PM
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I think it actually may start with the APPLICATION.

One can obtain "authenticated" facsimiles of the Certificate, but I doubt seriously if anyone will find the Application for the Certificate.

I do not think a Certificate will issue without an application, regardless of who "applies," or how and why.


Indeed Trooper;


Please attach a page or two scanned from your grandfather's notes.


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It is worth noting that the fealty to the Pope, which you cited for its explicit mention of the Templar abbey in Dover, is the legal basis for the invalidation of the Magna Carta after it was sealed at Runnymede.
During discussion about the Treaty of 1213 and the Magna Charta (1215).

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/medieval/magframe.htm
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/john1a.html
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Old 02-14-2008, 08:42 PM
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I don't do legal research as I prefer to retain my sanity.

That said, a contact tells me that his legal research hints that your balance (the off-set) is found in the employee fund here:

TITLE 5 > PART III > Subpart G > CHAPTER 81 > SUBCHAPTER I > § 8147


http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/ht...000-notes.html

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Old 02-14-2008, 08:57 PM
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Unless the US has a trade out for birth certificate with Cuba for each immigrant that they issue a CITIZENSHIP DOCUMENT to... Correct me if I'm wrong here... but if you join the US as a 14th ammendment citizen you have to give up your birthright from your origin country. There are no dual-citizenship US citizens. My guess without specifically reserching the issue but I would review the 14th ammendment carefully. I'm certain your answer will be there.

I do know that my mother kept her Italian citizenship after I became an adult. I had dual citizenship as a result of this having been born in the USA and she reported about me. Once I became an adult I let reporting lapse and as recently as a few months ago was entertaining regaining my citizenship again and that was the thought at that time.
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Old 02-14-2008, 08:59 PM
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Thanks Trooper. Great information.
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Old 02-14-2008, 10:09 PM
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Much confusion and myth has surrounded the birth certificate, or for that matter, all manner of certificates.

From Black's 6th a Certificate is - a written assurance or official representation, that some act has or has not been done, or some event occurred, or some legal formality has been complied with... A statement of some fact in a writing signed by the party certifying (emphasis mine).

Any inference that a certificate confers title, as trooper alluded to, is pure paytriot mythology. The Certificate of Live Birth, issued by the hospital, is the de jure document, equal in standing to the recordation of the event in one's bible. The Birth Certificate, issued by the government, is evidence of one's intention to use the trust name that is applied for. So if you are going to use the name, be prepared for the responsibility that such use entails.

A Birth Certificate is the equivalent of a Birth Record, which Black's 6th states as;

"Official statistical data concerning dates and places of persons' birth, as well as parentage, kept by local government officials."

What is being certified is the statistical data not the event, the hospital has done that. And I'm sure ya'll noticed the term person in the above definition. Using the hospital certification, the government creates an entity, ready for use upon application. Offer and acceptance. Its simple.

Anyone who goes the UCC-1 route is playing a fools game because the name is not yours to secure. You will be engaging in fraud.

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Anyone who goes the UCC-1 route is playing a fools game because the name is not yours to secure.

You will be engaging in fraud.

gldskr


1. "Anyone who goes the UCC-1 route..."

What, precisely, and, impartially, and, with specific particularity is "the UCC-1 route?"


2. "...the name is not yours to secure."

Howso?

Where, when, how, why, and with whom, precisely, and with specific particularity, is the proof of claim?

How, precisely is "name" in-volved?



3. "You will be engaging in fraud."

Howso?

What is the integral totality of the precise mechanics of the secifically psrticular alleged fraud?
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Old 02-15-2008, 12:55 AM
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1. "Anyone who goes the UCC-1 route..."

What, precisely, and, impartially, and, with specific particularity is "the UCC-1 route?"
From my understanding (UCC-1 gurus please correct me) a UCC-1 financing statement is applied for by a creditor to secure specific assets of a debtor. In the scenerio we envision, John Henry Doe is the creditor and JOHN H. DOE is the debtor. JOHN H. DOE then supposedly lists all his/its worldly possessions as collateral for the debt to John Henry Doe creating a first lien. Two problems arise.
1. How does John prove the debt owed by JOHN?
2. JOHN has a fiduciary responsibility to the beneficiary (the state) and must abide by the terms of the relationship. If John defaults on his contract with JOHN, the property in question will still belong to JOHN and ultimately the beneficiary.

In other words, how can you grant property to a trust and then use that property as collateral for an unprovable debt


2. "...the name is not yours to secure."

Howso?
The name of the trust was created at your birth by the state. You simply applied to be the grantor and trustee, so to speak.
Where, when, how, why, and with whom, precisely, and with specific particularity, is the proof of claim?
Need more specifics on these.
How, precisely is "name" in-volved?
NAME is a dba business practice; name is involved when he intends to do business with the benefit of limited liability.


3. "You will be engaging in fraud."

Howso?
You did not create the trust nor do you own it. The property granted to it is titled in its name, and with and unprovable debt, you have no right to encumber the property. That is fraud.
What is the integral totality of the precise mechanics of the secifically psrticular alleged fraud?That will be up to the administrators to decide.

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Old 02-15-2008, 05:21 AM
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Responsibility

As a Creditor of UNITED STATES and all other sub-corporations private and public, you are owed equity and interest for the gold and all property that you “loaned” them starting March 9, 1933 to date. There is NO MONEY. In order to start getting your equity back, you must NOTICE your DEBTORS of what you expect them to do and the consequences if they do not comply, but first you must ESTABLISH THE LAW. Your treaty is a contract to the WHOLE WORLD and tells the world what you want and how things are going to be done in this CREDITOR/DEBTOR relationship. You will need to PERFECT YOUR LIEN and TAKE BACK YOUR EQUITY;

Instructions

1. The following steps are sequence of events that must occur to get your treaty established and enacted as the supreme law of the land.
a. Word process a Treaty with all of the correct information
b. Print the Treaty out, read it several times for correctness and MAKE SURE YOU DESIGNATE A THIRD PARTY RECEIVER WITH NAME AND ADDRESS, then get it notarized
c. Send the Treaty by registered mail, return receipt so you have proof that they received your Contract you are in the process of creating.
d. If you have not received a response in twenty (20) days, send Notice of Default and Entry of Assent to Contract allowing Respondents ten (10) additional days to respond.
e. Send the copies of the above documents to the Respondent(s) and keep the originals
f. After ten (10) additional days get take the Certificate of Assent to the THIRD PARTY RECEIVER and have them Notarize their signature.
g. Word process a NOTICE OF COMMERCIAL LIEN and notarize it
h. Take all of the Notices that you have done from the Treaty and arrange them in a package from the first on the bottom to the Certificate of Assent on the top.
i. Place the NOTICE OF COMMERCIAL LIEN on top of the package, copy the package, then staple the original together, then record the document at the County Recorder. Take the receipt of the recording, make a copy and send it along with the copy of the lien you just recorded to the Respondents.
j. File a UCC-1 Financing statement with SECRETARY OF STATE for your state, with Paul O’Neill US SECRETARY OF TREASURY as the DEBTOR http://www.ustreas.gov/organization/bios/oneill-e.html , for $100 Billion, and you the CREDITOR and assign the security interest to a TRUST with you as BENEFICIARY, a third party as TRUSTEE and the DEBTOR (corporation) as GRANTOR/TRUSTOR. No documents need to be drawn up for the Trust and it does not need to be recorded - ANYWHERE - because it is a PRIVATE TRUST. You do not need to file all of the other notices with the UCC-1, but you do need to reference the county docket and page or filing number. The reason you use a trust is that it is a third party (like the banks use - such as a Title Company or a Reconveyance company) and therefore a witness if this is ever brought up in court. For reference look up UCC 1-202, and Blacks Dictionary under prima facia evidence. You will see that this cannot be refuted unless by other similar evidence.
k. Within a month after you recorded the COMMERCIAL LIEN, send Respondent, now as DEBTOR, a NOTICE OF DEBT COLLECTION giving them 30 additional days to pay you the amount of the lien. Notice them again in 60 days.
l. Word process an ACCEPTANCE TO CONTRACT and notarize it
m. Take all of the Notices that you have done from the Treaty and arrange them in a package from the first on the bottom to the Certificate of Assent on the top.
n. Place the ACCEPTANCE TO CONTRACT on top of the package, copy the package, and file a UCC-3 Addendum onto your original UCC-1 with SECRETARY OF STATE for your state.



2. You now have a perfected lien that has been seasoned. You can do several things at this point;

3. You can deposit this lien in a bank as a Certificate of Deposit and get a whopping 4% annual interest rate

4. You could sell it for cash (at a discount) at anywhere from 25 - 90% of face value.

5. Keep the lien and pay for products you want, such as vehicles or real estate, by filing a UCC-3 as a partial assignment of the lien until you have used it up.

6. You could initiate involuntary bankruptcy where you have a forced sale of the Respondent’s property. This is the exact procedure the banks use to take property from people and never set foot in the courtroom. This is basically how the IRS takes away property;
a. When the Respondent does not pay you, this is called a BREACH. You see, the Trust (testator) actually "dies" when the trust is breached and as a result, the first Trustee becomes the grantor and has to be substituted by a third party in order to execute or carry out the Deed (the will) by liquidating the property. You will need to make a second TRUST and SUBSTITUTE the first Trustee so they can record a Notice of Trustee Sale in 60 days if the Respondent breaches.
b. After 60-90 days from the time you recorded the lien, record 2 documents;
1. Notice of Substitution of Trustee Sale - the cover page
2. Statement of Breach and Non-Performance - attachment
c. Have the Trustee that you substituted sign by notary the Notice of Trustee Sale, then record it at the county Recorders. This action gives the Respondent 90 days to pay you the amount owed or you have a public Sale, in which all of the collateral goes up for auction and the highest bidder gets the collateral. You keep selling off their collateral until you satisfy the lien. Designate a public place where you are going to have the public auction. Then advertise it in the local monthly paper that lists all of the foreclosures, and Trustee Sales for 90 days. Also put a copy on the public notice board at the Superior Court where all the other foreclosures are advertised.
d. When sale day comes, have the Trustee describe the property by reading the Notice of Trustee Sale, which includes giving the legal description and amount against the lien. Whoever is going to bid must have in their possession $1,000.00 cash, not a check or money order. Start opening bids and keep a record of who is bidding and how much they bid. The last one to bid is the winner.
e. The Substituted Trustee then gives the highest bidder a TRUSTEE’S DEED, which is signed, notarized and recorded.
f. If no one shows up, then the property you listed as collateral is yours. The Substitute Trustee then gives you a TRUSTEE’S DEED, which is prima facia evidence in any court if challenged.
g. If the collateral is real estate, you can now have a Realtor sell it, or sell it your self.

All this information is verifible by using the appropriate official websites. The money does not come from thin air, it is backed by property. Does this make sense? This is probably how some of the "myths" got started about people taking big ticket items from the governmen.. be responsible when deciding what property to list. A lot of people's estates revert to government and this stuff adds up.

Each state varies in how their U.C.C. filing procedures go, but bottom line is you need to have all this in place before you start the first step.

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