Redemption Reality 2

weishaupt1776 · #1 03-03-2006, 11:36 PM

Well, I searched high and low for the original thread called "Redemption Reality" and could not find it.

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Anyway, it concerned an acquaintance of mine who adhered exclusively to redemption methodology and mentors of such. I mean this guy studied day in and day out, and finds himself in an IRS hearing as a defendant and goes ahead with the common Redemption approaches (IBOE's / "Not the defendant"/ appt of fiduciary, etc . . .)

Anyway, the concern was that he was enduring a series of competency hearings to test if he was "mentally competent" due to the "unusual" pleadings.

Some assured me that this was merely the judge "testing" him and assured that it was a bluff. So now he hooks up with a purported Master in the redemption paradigm and is advised to change his plea to No contest.

Well here we are some months later since the starting of that thread and now he is now sitting in county lockup awaiting Club Fed.

Folks, you need to learn the law. Relying on this redemption stuff without having a solid background in Facts, Law, and Procedure is legal suicide.

J.W. · #2 03-03-2006, 11:44 PM

I don't know what the heck happend to this post. I certainly remember it. I'll see what I kind find.

#3 03-04-2006, 03:00 AM

I agree.
If you are going to quote the law and redeem yourself out of the sytem then you better know the letter and nature of the law right down to the T and have case law and other law to back it up. You can have the information right there in front of you but no tthe knowledge on how to use is. Redemption is something that takes a certian tenacity. Heck I first heard about it and spent the next few years studying the laws and tracing it all the way back to front. Making sure i had everything right and understood it. Quote that SH^t verbatim now. Ive always looked at certian types of law like a carpenter would look at a project. If you are going to build something then you best understand the plans and intricale work involved. What holds it together and what shapes and defines it. A skill best refined with practice and study.

#4 03-06-2006, 07:21 AM

So now is he locked up because of technicality or because he didn't do a thorough investigation on what needed to be done in order to do it right?

#5 03-06-2006, 07:23 AM

Also, once one does go all the way through with the Redemption process, what are the true benefits to it all? Please donot call me ignorant, but I am new here, but I have been hearing about the subject for te past 2.5 years now. And when I was in Federal prison, I was seeing guys get out of there because they were doing the redemption process correctly.

weishaupt1776 · #6 03-06-2006, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Gillionaire

So now is he locked up because of technicality or because he didn't do a thorough investigation on what needed to be done in order to do it right?

See, as soon as some redemption method lands some people in jail, the first rock that die hard supporters of the method go to is "See, they didn't "do it right".
Well this guy thoroughly studied and attended seminars of Keating, Shrout, Beers, and others and he demonstrated to me more than a working knowledge of this.

I believe "not doing it right" is to not learn facts, law, and procedure in favor of the "free money" approach. (you can call it discharging the debt if you'd like)

charlesa6 · #7 03-06-2006, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Gillionaire

So now is he locked up because of technicality or because he didn't do a thorough investigation on what needed to be done in order to do it right?

Yep!!! More research and studies the law akin to the redemption will be the best way to go, in case of challenged one my face, when dealing with the court, and others so you can back it up.

#8 03-06-2006, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by weishaupt1776

See, as soon as some redemption method lands some people in jail, the first rock that die hard supporters of the method go to is "See, they didn't "do it right".
Well this guy thoroughly studied and attended seminars of Keating, Shrout, Beers, and others and he demonstrated to me more than a working knowledge of this.

I believe "not doing it right" is to not learn facts, law, and procedure in favor of the "free money" approach. (you can call it discharging the debt if you'd like)

Ok, i was just responding to what was said. I I am new to this and hope all goes well for the guy, because trust me, Federal Prison is not the place to be. they almost lost me in the system twice. and what i am learning now, i wish i knew it way b4 i went to prison. but i was young, dumb and ignorant.

powder · #9 03-19-2006, 11:45 PM

Are you helping to get your buddy out?

weishaupt1776 · #10 03-20-2006, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by powder

Are you helping to get your buddy out?

He wants to stick with this method, but his family wants to use attorney's, so it's like walking into a firestorm. I don't agree with either method. Chasing down IBOES to see if they were "discharged" or not doesn't sound like fun