Redemption, UCC...where does one start?

I have been looking into the whole process for the past 2 years and now that I have found this site, I have become more encouraged. I first heard about all of this while in Federal Prison and a few of the inmates were actually being released because they filed all the right paper work. My things is, where does one begin? I have info on the redemption process and it has UCC's included, but where does one start? Do I file things? Chargebacks are for what?

[J.W.]

Gillionare,

I would hope that this site inspires as well as bewilders you in so much as that the intention of this site is not to encourage you to pursue one line of reasoning or any particular theory or associated process versus another but to seek the truth and in some cases unorthodox solutions when available and legal to a whole gamete of problems people commonly face. In all of my research I cannot say that I have ever seen anyone released from a Federal Prison or any prison for that matter early resulting from any documents and associated procedures typically associated with Redemption. More often than not it is Redemption or hybrids thereof that land people in prison and such is quite unfortunate. With that being said I would caution you to not make any hasty decisions and not take anyone's word that something is what they say it is -- look it up, qualify it, look for any sort of precedent, law, code, doctrine in support of what ever is asserted and then do your best to make a fully informed decision as to whether or not you should endeavor to execute or implement any theory or associated "technology".

If you do such you may fair better than your predecessors.

Personally with regard to your interest in filing UCC and other associated documents I wouldn't pursue such. Others will certainly disagree with my contentions on this subject but I feel compelled offer my sincere warning and caveat.


Lastly, the man who has been credited with the creation of the Redemption Theory / Process, Roger Elivck is presently sitting in a Psyc. Hospital resulting from a conviction in a case dated back to 2001. This guy is the Indiana Jones of Redemption Theory and he has not effectuated his release from custody. Irrespective of any and all conspiracy theories as to Roger Elvicks incarceration, this man as well as well a few of his contemporaries should have used their vast knowledge and wisdom to secure their freedom but have not. In consideration of this example I have yet to be convinced that anyone else has had better luck to date.

It would really be nice to know who those former prisoners were, so that they could be located and invited to this forum to share with us, their secret(s).

Until such time as they can be located, I will, with all humility, concur with Jason in regard to the UCC and the Redemption processes. Be very careful in what you consider, and three times more careful in what you execute in the form of paperwork.

Jerry.

I need some help regardng the Redemption Process. I've already captured my Straw Man;I want to know if I obtain my UCC1 and my security agreement and I am in criminal court for a misdemeanor or felony, and I mention in court (on record) that I accept the case for value HJR192 and they dont comply, what can i do to protect myself?
Also, as the secured party, am i protected from criminal prosecution? If not, what remedy is available to protect myself from criminal prosecution by overzealous government officials? And finally, if I captured my Straw Man today, am I protected from my actions of yesterday (which continues to haunt me, criminally and financially).

[J.W.]

kmowatt6:

I moved your thread here so that you'd have an immediate oppertunity to read my caveat against such endeavors.

[charlesa6]

kmowatt6, welcome to the forum! Check members download section under UCC for further info.

[BOBT12]

Originally Posted by kmowatt6

I need some help regardng the Redemption Process. I've already captured my Straw Man;I want to know if I obtain my UCC1 and my security agreement and I am in criminal court for a misdemeanor or felony, and I mention in court (on record) that I accept the case for value HJR192 and they dont comply, what can i do to protect myself?
Also, as the secured party, am i protected from criminal prosecution? If not, what remedy is available to protect myself from criminal prosecution by overzealous government officials? And finally, if I captured my Straw Man today, am I protected from my actions of yesterday (which continues to haunt me, criminally and financially).

Emphasis added.

I don't know much about the Redemption Process.

However, you may want to check your state and federal constitutions, supreme law, for protection.

[jzangel]

I have a few friends that are telling me some things about "The Redemption" process. I was told to get a lawyer to help with the UCC process just to make sure everything is done right, does anyone think this is a smart idea?

Also is there some specific order that the RP and becoming sovereign should be in. Should one be accomplished before another and what would the reason be?

Can someone who is incarcerated do either of these things from prison?

Thought I would get some others input on these things.

Thanks for your time.

[theghost]

Originally Posted by jzangel

I have a few friends that are telling me some things about "The Redemption" process. I was told to get a lawyer to help with the UCC process just to make sure everything is done right, does anyone think this is a smart idea?

Also is there some specific order that the RP and becoming sovereign should be in. Should one be accomplished before another and what would the reason be?

Can someone who is incarcerated do either of these things from prison?

Thought I would get some others input on these things.

Thanks for your time.

jzangel/others:.....first of all, as to the question about hiring an attorney to help with the UCC process...not in a million years! If you could even find an attorney that new anything about it, he would never assist you with it, it is contrary to what they do, and are all about, so get that idea out of your head.

As to the redemption process generally, I would suggest that anyone contemplating using it should spend a minimum of two years of hard study before doing anything. Sorry, but that's my firm opinion.

There is a lot of truth in the various approaches, depending on where your learning it from. Personally, the most sensible stuff I've seen is Sam Kennedy's stuff, but it is not for the faint of heart, and is not really redemption stuff per se. It requires intense concentration and study, and must be mastered completely, which could/should be said of any endeavor of this magnitude, I suppose. Another firm opinion I have on this subject is that nobody, and I mean NOBODY, can do this stuff for you, period. It just won't work. Knowing who you are is key, really knowing and believing. Just knowing that you are not the ALL CAPS guy is a start, but it is not nearly enough.

Marc Stevens book "Adventures in Legal Land" is a great primer for both newbies and veterans alike, and I highly recommend it to anyone. Another cool site I recently ran across is freedom-flag-fellowship.org. People that jump head first into these processes end up not only getting devoured themselves, but they destroy the whole idea/process for others, by setting bad precedents along the way.

What do you know, another opinion just popped into my head.....(I'm very opinionated today) Winston Shrout, Roger Elvick, and those types will NEVER, EVER, give you the whole story, so don't waste your money. Don't know why this is, these opinions still under construction. They give a lot of truthful, and sometimes useful information, but never the whole picture. I know, I've watched these guys for years. You could have 99% of the puzzle, but it's that missing 1% that could land you in jail, or cause the loss of property.

I'm not usually so negative sounding, but I take this stuff very seriously, and have seen too many good people get crushed. One last piece of advice, read Georger Mercier's "Invisible Contracts"! And then read it again....and again.

[jzangel]

Thanks TG,

I really appreciate your time and input.

Thanks!