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Old 05-18-2004, 05:47 PM
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Obtaining a birth certificate for a Cuban Refugee.



&I have a friend who was born it Cuba back in the 50's and fled to America in 1962 due to the Communist take over of the country. He does not have a birth certificate and this is a problem because he wants to file a UCC 1 and secure a birth certificate number in his collateral listing on the UCC 1.& Then he plans to do a UCC trust accural account and acceptance for value with the secretary of the treasury John Snow . But without a birth certificate to "Accept for Value " its a problem.


&He&has a U.S. Citizenship& and a CERTIFICATE OF CITIZENSHIP& with a number on it. My question is ,&is the Certificate of citizenship the birth certificate for his strawman? And if so can it be used instead of a birth certificate ? Or is there somewhere else in this country where a birth certificate was created when he first entered the country as a child under political asylum.&


he enter the the country and lived in Yonkers N.Y. back in 1962.


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Thanks , Mike


Well since there were no answers on this one we decided to use the number on the cert. of Citizenship in Lieu of the birth cert. number. &
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Old 02-04-2008, 11:29 AM
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Old 02-14-2008, 07:45 AM
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I would say that the public trust attached to the strawman was transferred to the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA by the issuance of the citizenship papers and that those are what you accept and return for value, AFTER you list them on your UCC 1.
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Old 02-14-2008, 08:15 AM
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Dear Mike and Rob;

Notwithstanding distractions about birth certificates, it sounds like your actions are based in a hypothecation (sometimes called DirectTreasury Account) based on birth certificates in general.

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He does not have a birth certificate and this is a problem because he wants to file a UCC 1 and secure a birth certificate number in his collateral listing on the UCC 1

Or please explain, what is the value of a birth certificate # even if a number is "secured" by lien. My evaluation of the thread is that UCC/Strawman Redemption doctrine says that there is an account being secured by this birth certificate number.

I have never really believed any of this to be so, but may have given that impression because I would encourage people like Sheisaceo recently and many more over the years, to pursue some sort of evidence and even a transcript etc. where there has been any success. Nada! Nothing! ZIP!



I apologize about distracting from the real point about your friend's birth certificate but if these things really have hypothecated securities attached, then he abandoned filling in that crucial support stone in the zigurat on the backside of the dollar bill - way back when he left Cuba.

He made the hypothecation worthless and basically failed to provide his life's substance to fill in the mortar - the slime.

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Gen 11:1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
Gen 11:2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.
Gen 11:3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for mortar.

He has rendered any Cuban investors fools by being absent there to produce and supposes that by getting a US citizen birth certificate now, this late in the game, he can encourage investors on a liened asset?

Maybe I am not looking at this properly - but in about any language, that is fraud.



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Old 02-14-2008, 09:29 AM
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Birth Certificates

I have to agree with David on this. Once again a disclaimer not to distract, but to educate. There are too many patriot groups out there selling "U.C.C. redemption packages" with step by step instructions on how to "beat the system". The problem is that rules keep changing and there is no law other than contract law. If you have bought into one of those methods and did not do your own background research than you will be in for a heck of a surprise! If you play in the box, then you have to follow the rules of the box. The problem is the rules keep changing. As a real person you must understand how to work outside the box under God's law. Only then will you be sovereign and have redemption.

The Birth Certificate

First, you must know exactly what is considered to be the key element, within the presumed contract, that holds title and ownership to a real man's labors, Rights, intellect, and property through his persona. This foundational element is legally called an "instrument", but you know it as your Birth Certificate. Since the early 1960's, Birth Certificates were issued by the governments to personae with all CAPITALIZED lettered names. This is not a Lawful record of your physical birth, but something totally different. A Birth Certificate is the government's commercial instrument to their legal Title of Ownership or Deed to your "straw man" (don't forget that the presumption in contract is that the real you and your persona are one and the same). This Commercial Record or Commercial Instrument (Birth Certificate) is a legal commercial "receipt". It's no different than any other commercial Bill of Lading or a Warehouse Receipt. Delivery of the commercial "goods" was made to the government at your local hospital. For clarity, view a Birth Certificate as a Commercial "Document of Title". While this "Document of Title" is not the Title itself, it is parallel to a commercial Certificate of Tile or Certificate of Birth.

UCC 1-201 Definitions--
(15) "Document of title" includes bill of lading, dock warrant, dock receipt, warehouse receipt or order for the delivery of goods, and also any other document which in the regular course of business or financing is treated as adequately evidencing that the person in possession of it is entitled to receive, hold and dispose of the document and the goods it covers.
(6) "Bill of lading" means a document evidencing the receipt of goods for shipment issued by a person engaged in the business of transporting or forwarding goods [a hospital, for example], and includes an airbill.
The U.S. corporate Federal Government is bankrupt and holds no Constitutionally mandated silver or gold (coin and bullion) to back up or pay their debts. All privately held and federally held gold coins and bullion in America was seized by Executive Order of April 5, 1933 (See http://www.numismaticrareuscoin.com/own.htm ) and paid to the creditor, the private Federal Reserve Bank Corporation (FRB) under the terms of bankruptcy. Then, in 1964, coins with no silver content were issued and the Constitutional silver coins were recalled and seized. Further evidence of this was the shortage of industrial silver and bullion from the mid-1960's through mid-1970's. The small inventories of silver available during this period was astronomically expensive. We called the copper edged coins "LBJ funny-money" at the time, not understanding or knowing that all the silver was being turned over to the creditor, the privately owned FRB.

The only asset the Federal U.S. government has in order to pay their corporate debt is the people themselves, so they commercially pledge birthright Americans as collateral for credit (loans) to pay daily operational costs. The technical way this is done is astoundingly simple but relatively unknown.

When a child is born within the corporate United States, a Record of Live Birth form (a commercial Bill of Lading), or similar, is issued by the hospital. The father and mother sign this hospital form (a receipt for goods) as the parents (manufacturer) and title holders (owners) of the goods (child). The transfer of the property Rights (the child's Rights) to the State is accepted by the signature of their government agent, a State licensed Physician. The parents have unknowingly pledged their child's future and labors to the government and signed a presumed contract. This converts the legal status of their child to that of chattel property in permanently indentured servitude (See Preface, Part I). The State becomes the de facto holder of the Rights to the child (collateral).

Next, the hospital sends the Record of Live Birth to the State Bureau of Vital Statistics, sometimes called the department of Health and Rehabilitative Services (HRS) in some States. Each State is required to supply the Federal government with birth, death, and health statistics. The State agency that receives the Record of Live Birth (title) keeps it and then issues a Birth Certificate (BC). The BC is a commercial instrument (document) evidencing that the State is holding the title (ownership) to the child. Holding the title is not the same as having possession of the property, so the State is the "holder" of the instrument but not the "holder in due course". This is all based on the presumed acceptance of the contract (Record of Live Birth) between the manufacturer (parents) and the purchaser (State). The parents are not aware of this assumed contract because it was never revealed to them nor was full disclosure made in good faith, so they don't object to what they don't know. The current holder of your commercial birth document (receipt) is able to capitalize on it because of your failure to instruct the holder to do otherwise, due to your silence and lack of legal action.

It's not difficult to see that a Birth Certificate is a document evidencing debt the moment it's issued. This is how it works: Once each State has registered, by commercial bulk transfer, the Birth Certificates with the U.S. Department of Commerce, the U.S. Department of the Treasury then issues Treasury Securities in the form of Treasury Bonds, Notes, and Bills using the BC's as sureties or guarantors for these purported Securities. This means that the bankrupt corporate U.S. can guarantee to the purchasers of their Securities the lifetime labor of all Americans as collateral for payment. Isn't it nice to know that when you were born, within days you became the collateral for corporate U.S. debt-loans through the assumed contract your parents thought was nothing more than a Record of Live Birth? But wait... the chain of events gets even more interesting.

Who purchases these Treasury Securities? Nearly all are purchased by commercial institutions and brokerage firms on behalf of their individual clients. These purchases are called commercial book entry transactions whereby the individual purchaser never receives a paper stock certificate. Follow very closely and see if you can notice the monopoly and identity of the World Power Brokers unfolding here.

1. The commercial book entry system is operated exclusively by the privately owned Federal Reserve System (formerly the Federal Reserve Bank) as fiscal agents of the U.S. Treasury Department.
2. All these securities are recorded in the commercial book entry system as "book entry issues" held for the account of the depository institution.
3. The exclusive depository institution is the Depository Trust Company (DTC), a privately owned trust company (bank), who maintains records identifying the individual "beneficial owners" of securities that the DTC holds (holder) in its account in the commercial book entry system.
4. The Depository Trust Company is an operating unit of (owned by) the Federal Reserve System.
5. The Depository Trust Company transfers all the securities to their own private holding company Cede & Company.
6. Cede & Company is the holder of nearly $20 trillion ($ 20,000,000,000,000) of stocks and bonds.
7. The Federal Reserve System uses the Treasury Securities it holds as collateral to print and issue Federal Reserve Notes, which are further debt obligations.

What starts out as a Record of Birth becomes a monopoly of collateral slavery in the hands of the World Power Brokers, also known as the privately owned Federal Reserve System. The ultimate Real Party of Interest to your persona, or strawman, is Cede & Company at since you are the collateral and surety for the Treasury Securities that are physically held by them in their name. It's worthy to note that as you walk up to the DTC skyscraper at 55 Water Street in New York City, the sign in the front says "The Tower of Power".

When you reclaim the Title, Deed and ownership of the real you through your Birth Certificate by accepting it back for it's commercial value, you will regain your sovereignty, Freedom and Liberty. The "Wizards of Oz" (also known as the World Power Brokers) who have alleged to be the Real Party of Interest (RPOI), and all their agents, will then be legally powerless. Legally, only you can give yourself back your own inherent sovereignty.

Once again, the foundational truth being that "all law is contract", the World Power Brokers (WPB) have successfully made their claims by making us subject, via contract, to their sovereignty and ownership. The same rules that have made us servants and slaves to the WPB can also set us free from their legal claims. The key is going to the source and making it apply to our current legal status dilemna. There are many maxims (truths or proverbs) of Law that state this:
Nihil tam naturale est, qu m eo genere quidque dissolvere, quo colligatum est-- It is very natural that an obligation should not be dissolved but by the same principles which were observed in contracting it.
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Old 02-14-2008, 10:28 AM
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That is a very nice article trooper2ls
can you please tell us where this came from and how we can verify this materials?

We have for years been told that this system exists as hearsay but never yet have I seen proof that this is true.

Please just give us something that we can verify.
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Old 02-14-2008, 10:36 AM
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I think it actually may start with the APPLICATION.

One can obtain "authenticated" facsimiles of the Certificate, but I doubt seriously if anyone will find the Application for the Certificate.

I do not think a Certificate will issue without an application, regardless of who "applies," or how and why.
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Old 02-14-2008, 11:37 AM
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so then what in his case is to be done?and are you saying that just the acknowledgement of this process alone give's him back the rights taken at birth?or does he place the number from his birth certificate (being he had it) on the ucc application?
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Old 02-14-2008, 03:06 PM
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Links for research sources.

Rentiap, Compiled from research. None of it is hidden from the public.

Each site has a search and you can generally search on anything and you will find a bunch of hits on it. Keep in mind "googling" the same term would not always bring up these articles.

This is an example search on the Fed site for "Human Capital" as a phrase... yea "Human Capital"... not strawman.

http://search.newyorkfed.org/search/...&submit=Search

Other sites to look for clear proof:

http://www.ustreas.gov/
http://www.sec.gov/
http://www.federalreserve.gov/publications/default.htm
https://portal.dtcc.com/dtcorg/
http://uscode.house.gov/lawrevisioncounsel.shtml
http://www.law.cornell.edu/ucc/1/1-201.html


noelbusiness84 if you are a non-native American and have citizenship then you are a 14th ammendment citizen. Like a freed slave from the Civil War. So I believe your BC in this case is your Citizenship document. That is your "certificate" or "title" that the U.S.A corp has issued to you once you became a citizen.
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Last edited by trooper2ls : 02-14-2008 at 03:15 PM. Reason: Found a few grammatical errors and was correcting.
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Old 02-14-2008, 03:33 PM
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noelbusiness84 if you are a non-native American and have citizenship then you are a 14th ammendment citizen. Like a freed slave from the Civil War. So I believe your BC in this case is your Citizenship document. That is your "certificate" or "title" that the U.S.A corp has issued to you once you became a citizen.

ok lets just say its still on the islands how do i obtain it by what means of liens and does it play a vital role in attaining your ucc?
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