For those that would like to discuss Redemption methods

[iamfreeru2]

Ice,



You do not have to talk about God, but what about the other issues I have brought up, none of which you have responded. I suppose you think they are hogwash as well.



iamfreeru2

[Ice]

I see no reason to continue a discussion with someone that will slam me by accusing me of "being full of myself" or "self righteous". Screw that.



I will address this though: They have not been making the rules. The People have voted into office those that make the rules.



Like I said... it is our responsibility to maintain the courts... and that means the legislature that passes the law as well.



It is our sandbox and it has been invaded and we need to clean it up. Start in the court room and by assisting good men run for political office. And when I say "good men" I do not mean attorney or banker types.



I've said enough. I'm sure that my point has been made over and over. Meanwhile people are out there using these redemption processes that don't work and are getting screwed out of finances as well as not having any resolution to their dilemma.



Check the new posts on the forum and you'll get what I mean.



I do not and will not recommend any redemption process.

I do not believe that it is God's Will for people to be relieved of their finances and get nothing -- absolutely nothing -- in return. But you do what you think is right. I will not recommend that anyone make a "private deal" with the evil ones.



Ice

[iamfreeru2]

Ice,



I have never been screwed out of anything with Redemption. Those that get screwed is their own fault for trying something they have no clue how to use and going to people that charge like JHD & Associates. If people are stupid enough to pay that kind of money they deserve what they get when there are plenty out there that give it for free. I commend you, Jerseee and SuiJUris for putting this site together for that reason.



We are all big boys and gals and should know what we are doing. I do not need you to tell me that Redemption does not work when I know better. IT WORKS FOR ME and for others I know doing it.



There are plenty out there that want to help without charge. I am one of those people and if I can't help I know those that can. I have never been charged for any help I have received and I have learned much. Have I learned everything? Not by a long shot. At least I am willing to learn.



As far as using the law is concerned, I use it. I just do not use it the way you do. I have moved past the kick butt attitude, because it does not work. If it did why do we keep losing more and more.



Trying to explain to you why I say self righteous and full of ones self is useless. I used to be that way and even now I struggle with it myself. Thinking that we have the power to change a corrupt system that is controled by the enemy (Lucifer) without the master of the universe (the Creator of all things) directing us is futile. What you do not understand is this is a spiritual war. "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places." (Ephesians 6: 12) When we do it without Him we are thinking only of ourselves and our self righteousness. That's alright though do it your way and leave Him out. I can say that by what you say to me about not bringing religion into this. Who said anything about religion? I didn't. God is not a religion, but a person.



Do not say any more to me about Redemption not working and it is garbage. It is the Creator that has called me to do it and it is backed by His law. When you become God then you can say what you want to me about what I do. I listen to Him not you and I think you should know that by now. It is impossible to move me in anything He has called me to do.



I think I have made my point over and over as well.



In His service,

iamfreeru2

[Ice]

<font color=brown>"Thinking that we have the power to change a corrupt system that is controled by the enemy (Lucifer) without the master of the universe (the Creator of all things) directing us is futile."[/color]



Do you think that I would appear in court and NOT HAVE MY FATHER WITH ME?? HOW DARE YOU EVEN SUGGEST THAT I AM LEAVING MY FATHER OUT OF ANY ASPECT OF MY LIFE. YOU GOT A LOT OF NERVE TO EVEN SUGGEST SUCH A THING.



You seem to believe that only YOUR WAY can include the Father. That sounds like someone that is full of it. And you seem to think that the law of the land is not based upon His law... and that the two have nothing in common. You continue to believe that the law of the land is "man's law" when in fact it is based upon His law... and it is <u>our responsibility</u> to make sure that it follows His law. "We The People" are supposed to be in control. If we shirk our duty to this nation then we are shirking our duty to our Father... because this nation is pledged "under God".



So you think that making a "private deal" with the devil is okay... as opposed to opposing him in the public? So you can make your private deals with the evil ones and we will openly fight the devil in the Public. I find it disturbing that you think He has called you to make private deals with the devil. And you keep making the claim that "it works" for you... but you have offered no proof of a victory... not one success do you relate... not one situation have you demonstrated to be resolved (fini).



Messiah didn't make a deal when the devil approached him. And Messiah appeared in an "enemy" court. That court was not based on God's Law. That was a true enemy court. Our court system is OURS ... it belongs to "We The People". Look through your scripture and find all the Men that stood in true enemy courts and did it FOR THE GLORY OF YHWH. You won't even give the Father a chance to demonstrate His power, glory and mercy to the world. You're too busy working "privately". And you think you know HIs Will? Give me a break!



What I do, I do for ALL... not for myself.

What I do, I do for HIS GLORY.



You're post didn't even put a dent in my beliefs ... it just made them stronger. I'm thinking you are not making redemption processes look all that good either.



Ice

[weishaupt1776]

Eph 4:1Â*Â* *I*, the prisoner in [the] Lord, exhort you therefore to walk worthy of the calling wherewith ye have been called,

Eph 4:2Â*Â* with all lowliness and meekness, with long-suffering, bearing with one another in love;

Eph 4:3Â*Â* using diligence to keep the unity of the Spirit in the uniting bond of peace.

Eph 4:4Â*Â* [There is] one body and one Spirit, as ye have been also called in one hope of your calling;

Eph 4:5Â*Â* one Lord, one faith, one baptism;

Eph 4:6Â*Â* one God and Father of all, who is over all, and through all, and in us all.

FACTOIDS:



(1)There are no Judicial courts in America and there have not been since 1789. So called "judges" do not enforce Statutes and Codes. Executive Administratives enforce Statutes and Codes. (FRC v. GE 281 US 464; Keller v. PE 261 US 428 1Stat/ 138-178). There have not been any "judges" in America since 1789 also (ibid).

(2)If one does go into these tribunals, one cannot use the constitution to defend oneself because we are NOT a party to it. (Padelford Fay & Co. v. The Mayor and Alderman of The City of Savannah, 14 Georgia 438,520).

(3)The UNITED STATES does not have any employees because there is no longer a UNITED STATES. No more reorganization. After over 200 years of operating under bankruptcy, it's finally over (Executive Order 12803). So, do not personate one the creditors or share holders or you WILL go to the graybar hotel (18 USC 914).

(4)We have One World Government, One World Law, and a One World Monetary System. The UN is a One World Super Government. There has always been a One World Gov't, etc. It is just that now it is much better organized as has changed its name from the Tower of Babel to UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, then to UNITED STATES, and as of 1945 to the UNITED NATIONS. New York City is defined in the Federal Regulations as the UNITED NATIONS. Rudolph Gulliani stated on C-Span that "New York City was the capital of the World"...and he was correct! (20 CFR chapter 111, subpart B422.103(b)(2)(2).

(5)America is a British Colony. (Respublica v. Sweers 1 Dallas 43; Treaty of Commerce 8 Stat 116; The Society for Propagating the Gospel, &c. v. New haven 8 Wheat 464; Treaty of Peace 8 Stat 80; IRS Publication 6209; Articles of Association, October 20, 1774).

(6)Britain is owned by the Vatican (Treaty of 1213). The "United States" or D.O.C., is owned by the Vatican Bank.

(7)The Pope can abolish any "law" in the United States.(Elements of Ecclesiastical Law, Vol. 1, 53-54; a 1040 form is for tribute paid to Britain; IRS Publication 6209; see also Public Law 88-243 and 88-244, December 1963). The Pope claims to own the entire planet through the laws of conquest and discovery (Papal Bulls of 1455 and 1493). The Pope's laws are obligatory on everyone (Bened XIV., De Sun. Dioec, lib, ix., c. vii., n. 4. Prati, 1844)(Syllabus, prop 28, 29, 44).

(8)"We The People" does NOT include you and me (Barron v. Mayor & City Council of Baltimore, 32 US 243).

(9)The United States Gov't was NOT founded upon nor intended to be Christianity (Treat of Tripoli, 8 Stat 154).

10.It is NOT the duty of the police in America to protect you. Their job is to protect the Corporation and arrest code breakers (Sapp v. Tallahassee, 348 So. 2nd. 363; Reiff v. City of Philadelphia. 477 F.Supp. 1262; Lynch v. N.C. Department of Justice, 376 S.E. 2nd. 247)11.Everything in the United States is FOR SALE; roads, bridges, schools, hospitals, water, prisons, airports, etc. etc. (Executive Order 12803).

12.We are HUMAN CAPITAL (Executive Order 13037).



Now...Proof of Claim that "we" own the so called "courts". Proof of Claim that "we" finance these tribunals. Proof of Claim that "we" control "their" color of law.

Proof of Claim that we cannot:

(1)Accept for Value the offer, sign it using our EIN and having it notarized;

(2)File a Declaration, i.e. "Commercial Affidavit of Truth";

(3)File a "Discovery Disclosure Request, i.e. Subpoena Duces Tecum;

(4)File a "Show Cause" why Tort should NOT issue;

(5)File a copy of the "Surety Bond" written up with ALL the assessed damages (18 USC Sec. 3571);

(6)Request for Notarial Service;

(7)Notice of Notary Service;

(8)Notice of Breach;

(9)Certificate of Default and/or Dishonor.



Now! We are not going to tell you what happens next. But, we can guarantee a win 100% of the time with no entry into "THEIR SANDBOX"!

Call this bull****, doowop, or whatever you like. Label it anything you like but this COMES FROM REDEMPTION USING A PROCESS THAT THEY CALL "LAW".

ALL debt begins in Admiralty and is bargained for or contracted outside the constitution.

[Ice]

enslegis,



You don't make a dent either.



You must make the judge a judge because he does not want to be an "administrator". In his "administrative capacity" he can be held personally liable.



It appears to me that some people have not been paying attention.



Ice

Well Ice, you're the God of this forum and it seems that no one can express a view to your liking. What the hell! We're just a group of old men who don't know anything. Closeminded, dogmatic ignorance will get you everywhere.

If you can find one of the better law schools in Indiana, why don't you take an upper level course called, "Methodology of Law".

Good Day!

[Ice]

(1)Accept for Value the offer, sign it using our EIN and having it notarized;

(2)File a Declaration, i.e. "Commercial Affidavit of Truth";

(3)File a "Discovery Disclosure Request, i.e. Subpoena Duces Tecum;

(4)File a "Show Cause" why Tort should NOT issue;

(5)File a copy of the "Surety Bond" written up with ALL the assessed damages (18 USC Sec. 3571);

(6)Request for Notarial Service;

(7)Notice of Notary Service;

(8)Notice of Breach;

(9)Certificate of Default and/or Dishonor.



Would you please explain why this does not work?

Can you explain why so many people, including "experts" LOSE using this process?

Until I see concrete wins... documented... I ain't going for it.

PUT UP OR SHUT UP TIME !



SHOW YOUR STUFF MAN. -- ANYONE!! ANYONE -- SHOW YOUR SUCCESS USING THE ABOVE OR ANYTHING SIMILAR TO IT.



(And I don't want to hear the "they didn't do it right" excuse)



Ice

[bfree_1966]

Ice,



1) We have AFV the mortgage

2) We have tendered a BoE for discharge

3) We have filed Silver Bond

3) We have issued a Certificate of Protest via NotaryProtest process

4) We have sent Letter Rogatory with Affidavit in Support to all parties in the private with supporting evidence via third party witness.

5) We have formally appointed the opposing counsel as fiduciary and given him 30 days to settle and close the matter or show cause why the records should not be changed.



As a result the Judge recused himself with no further action from the Plaintiff or plaintiff's attorney. As you know it is the parties responsibility to file Motions and Schedule hearings, not the Judge, which none have been rescheduled so far.



We will be sending more LR asking the fiduciary what has been done if anything to change the records. If the fiduciary has done nothing we will go after his bond for not doing his fiduciary responsibility.



There are a number of things we can still do and we will do them. In the end we will be victorious and will not have to enter their court (sandbox). I will say it again, the courts are not ours. It is the enemy's turf with their rules in place. They are not based on the Constitution and have not been for a long time now. They do not want their fraud exposed and they already have been provided with enough from us that is impossible for them to rebutt.



Now, if I have offended you forgive me. I have listened to you and others continually say leave religion out of this. Do you think that is a statement of a follower of God? Not once have I brought up religion in this. I have only quoted scripture (God's law) and mentioned Him. He needs inclusion in everything we do or we are no better than the ones that are trying to remove Him from every part of society. That will never happen, but until we include Him in our speach, our fight and every aspect of our lives we will never see the change we are looking for. History proves that everytime a people does things on their own and push God out they have been destroyed. We are destroying ourselves from within becasue we have forgotten that it is He that gives us the victory and not ourselves. Look at all the ungodly laws that have been passed. Are we any better for it or worse? I content we are in bad shape and getting worse.



He provides everything we have, our food, clothing, shelter, work, EVERYTHING! If you think we can take back our country by leaving Him out or putting Him in the religious section, it will never happen. He deserves our thanks for what He has done for us. Would you lay your life down for the world? Think about this and if you truly are His child then act like it. You will be blessed for doing so.



iamfreeru2