Evidence of what we speak of.

[Jerseee]

All,



SJ has provided unmitigated proof that if you don't follow procedure and rules in court that you will lose. No matter how much UCC redemption you know and have--you will LOSE if you don't follow the rules of the court.



2 of your gurus (one which I do have some respect for) Jordan Maxwell and Vic Bedian have a default judgement against them and it is in the downloads section of this site!!! It is called "BBCOA Default Judgement" (something like that). And it is PUBLIC RECORD...read it and see why they failed.



Our proof here that UCC redemption techniques will get you jammed up--if you don't follow the rules. Now that SJ has provided proof of our side of this discussion--I challenge die hard redemptionist to counter this with proof that what we speak of doesn't work.



anyone can upload their proof to rebut our position on this matter.

[Ice]

And take warning in regards to Jerseee's challenge: If you post a court case LOSS -- it will be dissected to demonstrate WHY it was a loss... and you will again see that rules and procedure apply.



As a matter of fact, there is a case that someone provided a link to that I dissected a bit... its here... somewhere... use that as an example.



Ice

[KaosTheory]

Why can't they use the Money Brief to simply vacate the judgement?



Who is the judgement against? The STRAW MAN no doubt. Why should they worry about that? Don't they have superior claim?



Can't they use a CPN to discharge it?



Is the judgement even legal?



I have to read this and see what's going on.



Point taken though guys.



Ice, have you read the transcript from the Thurston Bell trial? That would be a good one to dissect.



KT

[KaosTheory]

Hmm I can't get the BBCOA default to load for some reason but I did read the article about Military Courts by Linda Kennedy. Now that's what I'm talking about.



While I'll agree that procedure is the key to winning in court, I can't deny the level of coruption that we are up against even if we do have our ducks in a row. What is the recourse for such blatant criminal activity like this?



KT

[Jerseee]

KT,



Rules and Procedure that is the key you are looking for. They try to skirt around it but if you hold them to it--you'll be fine.



Also, the reason they can't just discharge this judgement is because they were ordered to stop doing something and the court can verify the complaint. THere was a actual plaintiff in this case and it would appear to me that Jordan and Vic did not follow procedure and just answer the complaint--this lead to the default judgement.



Now if they had come to sui juris.net for free information and opinions--they may have had a chance. But my money is on the fact tht probably tried to use the redemption stuff and it got thrown out. this is just my opinion--not first-hand knowledge.

[Ice]

They filed redemption type docs. JHD spoke of it at the TSN forum... those posts may still be there (LRG).



They did not "make the record" because they did not follow the rules. They tried to use procedure from a different process in a "judicial" setting. Ya can't mix the 2 up like that.

[logos]

Part of the promblem I see is that people have a "we gotta kick butt" attitude. They aren't really interested in settlment and closure. As Jerseee says: use your remedy--and that involves more than just tendering a bogus BoE drawn on a non-existent account (a procedure whose days are numbered).

I've realized the judges, laywers and other operatives aren't nearly as corrupt as people think. System operatives and the Elite they serve are way ahead of most of us in their understanding of the law and what's really going on. It is our understanding that is flawed.

[logos]

Originally Posted by KaosTheory

Can't they use a CPN to discharge it?

Technically you can, but an order to pay is much better--something about having a second witness (drawee). I hear a CPN will be viewed as an asset and is less likely to stop them compared to a BoE. BTW, those who've tendered BoE's privately to settle debts have merely lucked out if the alleged Creditor didn't keep coming after them. There is no incentive for them to stop.

Originally Posted by KaosTheory

Is the judgement even legal?

I'm not convinced they are, nor that it matters. There must be lawful money for judgments to be executed, and since there is none, I'm not sure there really are judgments being passed. It could be part of the illusion, a test.

[logos]

Originally Posted by Jerseee

anyone can upload their proof to rebut our position on this matter.

I suspect you won't be reading a response to your challenge from "redemptionists" anytime soon. I think many aren't interested in trying to prove anything to anyone. From what I've seen they've moved beyond the need to contest others--a mindset that is sure to continue to get peope screwed by B.B.

[Jerseee]

Logos,



I know it--and that is the part I speak about that is irresponsible. To use the desparation and hope of others against them by calling it faith is criminal mischief and a sin.



The treasonous part I spoke of is that some of them (gurus) make a living off of this stuff. Saying down with the courts and FRNs, but they accept FRNs (or their equivalent) and convince others to avoid the courts---inadvertently or deliberately making them abandon their lawful due process. Which makes them dependent on commercial remedy which they do not and cannot control.

And then they are just hoping to not get challenged by the other party.



What would you call taking advantage of someone's ignorance to such things and advising them to stay away from courts and law? The first word that comes to my mind is unconstitutional.



what say you....