Without Prejudice Works! - Page 15

dadmoonbunny · #**141** 02-17-2007, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by weishaupt1776

207 is now 308

anyway, citing the UCC is not a smart idea in travel situations because it strengthens the presumption that you are in commerece/for hire.

A simple without prejudice is sufficient

no need for the UCC voodoo

Please recall, that yes, you can place UCC 1-308 (replaces 1-207) upon your lic. However, ANY time you accept and/or use your lic., you are in contract with the issuing authority.

You are reserving your rights in commerce, but the lic can still be revoked or suspended.

I was once asked by a police officer where he got his authority to stop commercial traffic. I explained to him that the lic is a CONTRACT.

If you do not reserve your rights, you have none other than what they choose to give you. Of course, what they can give you, they can also take away.

By the way, the police officer got very "upset" with me.

SaveUncleSam · #**142** 02-18-2007, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dadmoonbunny

Please recall, that yes, you can place UCC 1-308 (replaces 1-207) upon your lic. However, ANY time you accept and/or use your lic., you are in contract with the issuing authority.

You are reserving your rights in commerce, but the lic can still be revoked or suspended.

I was once asked by a police officer where he got his authority to stop commercial traffic. I explained to him that the lic is a CONTRACT.

If you do not reserve your rights, you have none other than what they choose to give you. Of course, what they can give you, they can also take away.

By the way, the police officer got very "upset" with me.

Did you write All Rights Reserved above your signature with a marker after the card was mailed to you? Or did you sign it on the graphic tablet at the DMV? I tried to do this last month when I went in to renew my DL and they got into a big huff and puff about it and refused to print my temporary card with "any political statements on the signature". What do you think?

hooded50 · #**143** 02-18-2007, 08:15 PM

I would write back to the man at the DMV who told you you couldn't sign that way, and ask for a copy of his license to practice law in the State. By not allowing you to sign the way you deemed fit, he was making a legal determination on your behalf. If he can't produce a license to practice law, then he just committed the crime of UPL.

I'd send the letter to him at his personal home address, via certified mail. If you send it to his office, some peon will open it, and he might never see it. If you send it to his home address, and get the green card back, you have his personal signature that he was noticed.

rawgoatsmilk · #**144** 02-23-2007, 06:47 AM

I read a few pages of this lengthy thread. I'm going to sign a mortgage today. What happens if I DON'T sign "without prejudice"? Am I going to die or something? I mean, I'll just be doing what most people do when they sign a mortgage. What are the consequences of NOT signing "without prejudice"? Thanks.

charlesa6 · #**145** 02-23-2007, 07:44 AM

In respond to your Question: Nothing.

rawgoatsmilk · #**146** 02-23-2007, 08:07 AM

thank you! (i'll take your word for it.)

Freetalker · #**147** 05-15-2007, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Zapola

Ya. I got stoped by the state pigs once and signed UCC-102 Without Pred. and then my sig, The pig scratched it out and handed me my copy.

He not only commited forgery, he also commited a breech of contract, and a breech of the Constitution, IMHO. Sue his ass off. I have signed tickets the same way in Indiana, Kentucky, and Ohio, and the cop said not one thing about it.
That little Without Prejudice UCC 1-207 really works too, I have had several tickets dismissed because it is on my license. I am in the process of buying a home, and I plan to sign that one with the W.P. UCC 1-207 also.

mrg · #**148** 05-15-2007, 04:53 PM

1-308.

207 is gone

Codee · #**149** 05-15-2007, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by hooded50

I would write back to the man at the DMV who told you you couldn't sign that way, and ask for a copy of his license to practice law in the State. By not allowing you to sign the way you deemed fit, he was making a legal determination on your behalf. If he can't produce a license to practice law, then he just committed the crime of UPL.

He is making a legal administrative decision of which a license to practice law is not needed.

I guess Hodded has probably recused the DMV too with no proof.

Codee · #**150** 05-15-2007, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dadmoonbunny

If you do not reserve your rights, you have none other than what they choose to give you. Of course, what they can give you, they can also take away.

Not without a hearing and not without full due process.

Why do you apss along this crap?

A government cannot just take away a license and there is monumental relevant case law to back it up.

Not to mention the APA is littered with mandatory administrative hearings appealable to court.

Just wrong to think that the license is some magic way to skirt the law. As a party to a contract the state has no sovereign power to prosecute... not the other way around. (And it is supported by valid case law.)

Complete mythology.