Without Prejudice Works! - Page 5

greatwolf75 · #41 08-09-2006, 03:33 PM

One more thing, on the pac website in the tutorials section you will find a small document about the strawman. That document is the best explanation about the strawman that I have ever come across. I highly recommend reading it.

Big Al · #42 08-09-2006, 05:05 PM

Traffic laws, do they apply to you? How do they amend the U.S. or State Constitutions to make them work? Have they repealed the first amendment to The U.S. Constitution? Did the right to travel exist prior to the Constitutions ? We have gone afield here folks, lost our way in the muck. Who were these crap laws written for, and by who? How does any legislature have the power to amend the Constitution, show me where they did this please. My own State Constitution says the Right to peaceful assembly SHALL NOT BE ABRIDGED. They can write all the crapola rules they want, until they amend the Constitutions, I don't really care. That of course only applies if you think We The People had the power to give the Congress the power to tell me I had to have a by your leave to travel.

Codee · #43 08-09-2006, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Al

Traffic laws, do they apply to you? How do they amend the U.S. or State Constitutions to make them work? Have they repealed the first amendment to The U.S. Constitution? Did the right to travel exist prior to the Constitutions ? We have gone afield here folks, lost our way in the muck. Who were these crap laws written for, and by who? How does any legislature have the power to amend the Constitution, show me where they did this please. My own State Constitution says the Right to peaceful assembly SHALL NOT BE ABRIDGED. They can write all the crapola rules they want, until they amend the Constitutions, I don't really care. That of course only applies if you think We The People had the power to give the Congress the power to tell me I had to have a by your leave to travel.

They don't need to do any of that crap.

They make private rules and you contract to obey. You give them the power, you confer jurisdiction, you contract to be XXXX XXXXX instead of Xxxxx Xxxxxxx, you create the state, and you are answerable.

Big Al · #44 08-09-2006, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Codee

They don't need to do any of that crap.

They make private rules and you contract to obey. You give them the power, you confer jurisdiction, you contract to be XXXX XXXXX instead of Xxxxx Xxxxxxx, you create the state, and you are answerable.

I have no contract. Black's Law tells you the DL is not a contract. I have no DL. The only contract is there UTC.

Codee · #45 08-09-2006, 05:52 PM

Yes,

The license is evidence of the contract. The contract occurs when you accept the privilige to drive. There is alot of talk about this in cases where people have had their privlige suspended before ever getting a license.

Again the license is just the perfection of the contract. No if ands or buts after that. One must understand that contracts do not need to be signed or even written.

Think hard about silent parol contracts.

What is UTC?

Big Al · #46 08-09-2006, 05:57 PM

Uniform Traffic Citation. And that only becomes a contract when you sign the promissory note, AKA the UTC.

palani · #47 08-09-2006, 08:02 PM

If you remember back to when the drivers license was applied for you made two declarations and signed a form. The declarations were
(1) US Citizenship
(2) Resident in State of XXXX

Now you are entitled to the priviledge of operating a motor vehicle/car/bicylcle/go cart. Before then you MAY have had the right. A US citizen is a Puerto Rican or Guam or Virgin Islander or a freed slave or someone naturalized. A resident only has to be in the State for 6 weeks before he/she becomes a resident. And a resident is only in the State temporarily. By signing the application you LOST the right being claimed because you made these admissions.

Seems to me maybe the whole problem starts with each man or woman not knowing who he or she is. And if this is the case the State is correct in making the assumption that a little tender loving protection and additional oversight is needed.

Big Al · #48 08-10-2006, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by palani

If you remember back to when the drivers license was applied for you made two declarations and signed a form. The declarations were
(1) US Citizenship
(2) Resident in State of XXXX

Now you are entitled to the priviledge of operating a motor vehicle/car/bicylcle/go cart. Before then you MAY have had the right. A US citizen is a Puerto Rican or Guam or Virgin Islander or a freed slave or someone naturalized. A resident only has to be in the State for 6 weeks before he/she becomes a resident. And a resident is only in the State temporarily. By signing the application you LOST the right being claimed because you made these admissions.

Seems to me maybe the whole problem starts with each man or woman not knowing who he or she is. And if this is the case the State is correct in making the assumption that a little tender loving protection and additional oversight is needed.

That is a mental road block in your mind. Ask them directly in court, " Is the application a wavier of my rights"? If it is, where does it say that on the form I signed? What do you think UNalienable rights mean?

palani · #49 08-10-2006, 07:18 AM

Pardon my mental road block but you are talking about wording in a contract between a state and the feds. I am not a party to that contract.

The admission you make on an application for a drivers license is between you and the state. And the state represents an independent government. Not all wars are declared or have rockets flying. Reconstruction is a major war. Here you come telling the state that you intend to be a player in this war and, guess what, you aren't on the states' side.

Read the definition for license again - Bouvier

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LICENSE, International law. An authority given by one of two belligerent parties, to the citizens or subjects of the other, to carry on a specified trade.

There is also another license definition for the contract side but no one ever looks at the international definition. Well, the states are foreign to each other and to the federal government and this definition fits what is happening. It also explains why contract law and UCC don't work all the time. I think the legal types let these UCC arguments slide by once in a while just to keep everyone guessing. It works to their advantage and if all other legal means of prosecuting you fail they can fall back on this one and not tell you why you failed.

Why don't they ask you on the drivers license form if you are a citizen of the state of XXX? Wouldn't that seem germain?

Or maybe I am just being paranoid.

Codee · #50 08-10-2006, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Al

That is a mental road block in your mind. Ask them directly in court, " Is the application a wavier of my rights"? If it is, where does it say that on the form I signed? What do you think UNalienable rights mean?

Well Big Al, I will chime in on this again. I do not think it was a term of the "application" which made it a "waiver" of sovereign status. I believe it was the governing laws of the contract/application which make the application a "waiver." I also believe that the "waiver" is your contribution to the contract that the license is evidence of.

I also believe that the UTC you speak of is a notice and not a contract as the officer has prommissed nothing in return.