Releasing Prisoners VIA IBOE - Page 6

swiftknight23 · #51 10-10-2006, 02:50 PM

These are the two best sources that I have been able to uncover:
http://www.disclosureusa.org/pages/FindaFiling.aspx

The above will allow several different types of search however, I have not been able to find anything relating to the courts on this one or the next;

http://fapt.efanniemae.com/dctracker/

Sorry folks but that is the best that I have been able to do. Bear in mind that the first one will give you a tremendous amount of information of various cusip numbers. As an example: Use the first search field enter "flori" and in the adjacent field select florida. When the search is complete, scroll page after page until you find the florida lottery. There are 213 cusip numbers listed there.

interesting.

David Merrill · #52 10-29-2006, 02:00 PM

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* Once you dispel the illusion Interpreter (Nicole Kidman) clicks. The FBI gets stopped at the door of the UN Plaza, "You are not on US soil anymore; this is international territory." And of course who has natural jurisdiction? (Sean Penn) The Secret Service - Treasury! Or how about this guy blowing off his pistol in downtown Moscow?

http://friends-n-family-research.inf...et_Service.wmv
Bourne Supremacy clip

I misspoke. After getting the video to grab that snippet, I discovered it was so early in the movie I didn't know who was who yet:

Shoonra · #53 10-30-2006, 04:41 PM

I have tried to find recent instances of someone getting bail via a worthless document like an IBOE. The closest I could find was a John Perry Chaney, one of the members of a polygamous Mormon cult, who was arrested for statutory rape in Illinois, circa 1994, and one of his buddies tried (& failed) to spring him with some Montana Freemen funny money. Chaney is, last I heard, serving a life sentence.

But it clearly has happened, although perhaps not successfully recently. There was an unpublished California case in which the judge referred to a published set of California Jury Instructions which included the instruction that the jury could consider as further evidence of the defendant's guilt that the defendant had tried posting worthless or fraudulent bail. Presumably this instruction was worked up for a (much) earlier case.

Friendsplacect · #54 10-30-2006, 05:46 PM

My Girlfriend currently is out on Bond, how do you do a FOIA request?

Shoonra · #55 10-31-2006, 01:10 PM

As a follow-up I reviewed cases involving the use of worthless sureties as bail bonds. I went through cases going back to the Civil War.

Whateven the method, submitting a worthless (fictitious, fraudulent, forged, bogus, etc.) surety to obtain one's release pending trial, will be punished. At the very least, for contempt of court. It was also, in various cases, prosecuted as fraud, filing a false statement with a govt office, escape or aiding an escape, and so forth.

A lawyer who either submits or lets his client submit a worthless bail bond will be disciplined -- in some cases disbarred.

And the defendant's attempt to use a worthless surety to get out of jail is evidence that may be presented to the jury in the trial for the original charge, and may be considered by the jury as evidence of the defendant's guilt.

Friendsplacect · #56 10-31-2006, 01:28 PM

Any non-slaves care to reply?

#57 10-31-2006, 01:42 PM

http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials...ons091799.html

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Originally Posted by Friendsplacect

Any non-slaves care to reply?

David Merrill · #58 10-31-2006, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by David Merrill

Agreed. I was not encouraging Shoonra to say anything. The things she says are very useful around here...

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I have tried to find recent instances of someone getting bail via a worthless document like an IBOE. The closest I could find was a John Perry Chaney, one of the members of a polygamous Mormon cult, who was arrested for statutory rape in Illinois, circa 1994, and one of his buddies tried (& failed) to spring him with some Montana Freemen funny money. Chaney is, last I heard, serving a life sentence.

But it clearly has happened, although perhaps not successfully recently. There was an unpublished California case in which the judge referred to a published set of California Jury Instructions which included the instruction that the jury could consider as further evidence of the defendant's guilt that the defendant had tried posting worthless or fraudulent bail. Presumably this instruction was worked up for a (much) earlier case.

Here we are listening to the typical (theoretical) attorney sophistry Shoonra is famous over!

When people pay or discharge a debt with county court or whatever, all you hear about is that the case is settled. She would have you think that the clerk accepting or waiving the obligation in the alternative is something she would be able to find notation about.

I got a call today from the suitor I have mentioned. She had her spouse pick up the plea bargain agreement on Friday afternoon just before trial on Monday morning. Then on Saturday they had me over for dinner and we went through it strikethrough almost all the verbiage, which was all offensive. Then she picked up a $96 money order when dropping me off, filed the agreement and the instrument at the county clerk and recorder at 8 and her 8:30 trial was postponed.

A week later the prosecutor called her and said they would be returning the agreement and money order Certified Mail. It never arrived. A few weeks later the judge called her and asked if she and the prosecutor had reached an agreement? Maybe she should have answered yes, since he never sent the MO back - that's agreement, right?

After the first trial date skipped she heard there was a warrant so she turned herself in and bonded out. Since the new trial date was so far off I about forgot about it. Anyway the next I heard that judge was recusing himself for conflict of interest, unspecified. He had put his attorney registration # on the record and even explained on the transcript that judges had to be attorneys in the State of Colorado. He ended the letter saying he was sure another judge would be assigned in time for her trial.

Which brings us to today...

The court finally realized that the prosecutor had accepted the agreement months ago and gave her back her bond money.

Maybe she should have just written the payment in a POMC instead of discharging it with a money order? That particular county court has accepted POMC's in the past so they have already thought that over. Of course Shoonra will not find any record of how somebody fulfills the obligation, only that the obligation has been filled. Nothing to see here folks.... move along...

Regards,

David Merrill.

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As a follow-up I reviewed cases involving the use of worthless sureties as bail bonds. I went through cases going back to the Civil War.

Whateven the method, submitting a worthless (fictitious, fraudulent, forged, bogus, etc.) surety to obtain one's release pending trial, will be punished. At the very least, for contempt of court. It was also, in various cases, prosecuted as fraud, filing a false statement with a govt office, escape or aiding an escape, and so forth.

A lawyer who either submits or lets his client submit a worthless bail bond will be disciplined -- in some cases disbarred.

And the defendant's attempt to use a worthless surety to get out of jail is evidence that may be presented to the jury in the trial for the original charge, and may be considered by the jury as evidence of the defendant's guilt.

That is of course a presumption made upon a couple cases where the instrument was protested and made to look fraudulent, and that worked. Then those few cases get sensationalized.

Shoonra is like Judge Roy Bean trying to convince you that exercising your right to public money will get you arrested and that you will not have any recourse, by twisting an article about a guy who tried cashing a funny check.

Sure! With people running around thinking Congress could redefine worthless notes to be money, it is a risky business to speak truthfully on the topic.

Regards,

David Merrill.

http://friends-n-family-research.inf...ublicMoney.wmv

Hopefully the kinks have been worked out of the video... The attached photo of Territorial Governor Gilpin's funny money is a great highlight of the video!

smithbey7 · #59 09-27-2007, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kgod999

well, ill be you know what. i looked up a conviction and found that the court sold it and i found the cusip number! i am gonna release details but i will find a more secure means of doing so outside of this forum. and get this, the bond was merged with a investment dating back to the 1930's. now, for all you sceptics, i have the personal proof in my hands of what me and david and others been trying to get across. they are making money left and right with birth certificates, ssns, judgments, anything where they can setup a account.and why did they merge it with a investment dating back that far? you know why, thats when they starting selling the convictions right along the time of the new deal and bankruptcy. oh, it fits so neat. i even found the corporations that have invested in this particular bond and one of them is merrill lynch, just like jean keating said. i looked over 20 times at the numbers and i be damn, the court done made money off a conviction.

Kgod, I wanted to get this information from you as I am dealing with some criminal charges at this time and have already attempted to tender a bond in the case using my SS# as the CUSIP Number. Als, I have had a friend of mine who is a VP in an investment bank try to lookup the bond for me, but to no avail. Please forward this info to me if you can at smithbey@safe-mail.net, this is a secure e-mail platform that others such as Barton Buhtz uses. Thanks!

smithbey7 · #60 09-27-2007, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by kgod999

well, ill be you know what. i looked up a conviction and found that the court sold it and i found the cusip number! i am gonna release details but i will find a more secure means of doing so outside of this forum. and get this, the bond was merged with a investment dating back to the 1930's. now, for all you sceptics, i have the personal proof in my hands of what me and david and others been trying to get across. they are making money left and right with birth certificates, ssns, judgments, anything where they can setup a account.and why did they merge it with a investment dating back that far? you know why, thats when they starting selling the convictions right along the time of the new deal and bankruptcy. oh, it fits so neat. i even found the corporations that have invested in this particular bond and one of them is merrill lynch, just like jean keating said. i looked over 20 times at the numbers and i be damn, the court done made money off a conviction.

Kgod, I wanted to get some information on your discovery, I have been trying to locate the CUSIP on my bond for some crimeinal charges that are currently pending. I have a friend who is a VP at an investment bank, he has been trying to locate the bond. If you could, can you forward me the information that you have to my secured e-mail: smithbey@safe-mail.net. Thank you!