Public Money Video

[PANICPASS]

Originally Posted by Big Al

Where did anyone ever find a place in the law that says when you negotiate you can not raise the value of the thing being asked for? I do it all the time! I learned this method before I was 10 years old. This is a vary effective way to stop a low ball offer. Who says you can't raise your price to counter a lower offer, I always do.

You cannot negotiate checks with a bank for a higher value.


And besides, we are talking about negotiable instruments (checks and banking), not negotiating, as in buying and selling goods.

[PANICPASS]

The Supreme Court says we have right to redeem, and the statutes still say we have a right to redeem, but the reality is, the banks refuse redeem. Since the right to redeem has been abrogated, FRNs are no longer voluntary-- we have to take them. What does it mean when you have no choice ? Duress, perhaps ?

FIAT—French for decree. Latin: Let it be done. Fiat money is a currency which is NOT money but is used as money (a currency, a medium of exchange) under order or decree and under threat or coercion, not voluntary.

duress

duress, in law, consists of any illegal imprisonment, or legal imprisonment used for an illegal purpose. Actual or threatened violence or imprisonment, by reason of which a person is forced to enter into an agreement or to perform some other act against his will. The constraint or threat of constraint must have been directed toward the person thus compelled or toward the wife, husband, parent, child, or other near relative of the person compelled. Anyone who makes a contract under duress is entitled to void it and be free of its obligations, but in order to release him from the contract duress must be shown to have overcome his mind and will. However, annoyance and persuasion do not constitute duress.


pro‧test  /n. ˈproʊtɛst; v. prəˈtɛst,
–noun
1. an expression or declaration of objection, disapproval, or dissent, often in opposition to something a person is powerless to prevent or avoid: a protest against increased taxation.


I think I will start signing my checks "under protest".

[David Merrill]

Dear Big Al;


PanicPass said:

When a price is said to be negotiable...

That is not the topic as far as the stamp is concerned. The notes are not the price. Handling non-negotiable FRNs does not effect whether or not the price is negotiable.


Regards,

David Merrill.

[Big Al]

I see, so then when lending institutions make offers for my custom, then they are not negotiating? When offers for higher interest for time deposits aka Cd's that's not a negotiation for value?

I understand the point of the stamp and I'm of an accord with you. but to say they FRN's are not negotiable is not reality, money markets disprove that point every hour of every day.

[David Merrill]

Originally Posted by Big Al

I see, so then when lending institutions make offers for my custom, then they are not negotiating? When offers for higher interest for time deposits aka Cd's that's not a negotiation for value?

I understand the point of the stamp and I'm of an accord with you. but to say they FRN's are not negotiable is not reality, money markets disprove that point every hour of every day.

Non-negotiable FRNs are USNs in the form of FRNs.

[PANICPASS]

Non-negotiable FRNs are USNs in the form of FRNs.

HJR 192 declared ….”every provision… which purports to give the obligee a right to require a payment in gold or a particular kind of coin or currency… is declared to be against public policy; and no such provision shall be…made with respect to any obligation hereafter incurred.


Public Policy removed the peoples liability to make all payments in a particular specie by making a contract null if it required the payment which a debt can be discharged. Henceforth, they could not be legally held to be paid, because they had not; they were merely exchanged for other forms of debt.

[David Merrill]

Originally Posted by PANICPASS

HJR 192 declared ….”every provision… which purports to give the obligee a right to require a payment in gold or a particular kind of coin or currency… is declared to be against public policy; and no such provision shall be…made with respect to any obligation hereafter incurred.


Public Policy removed the peoples liability to make all payments in a particular specie by making a contract null if it required the payment which a debt can be discharged. Henceforth, they could not be legally held to be paid, because they had not; they were merely exchanged for other forms of debt.

In agreement with what I said.

[PANICPASS]

In agreement with what I said.

No, its not in agreement with what you said.

[David Merrill]

Originally Posted by PANICPASS

No, its not in agreement with what you said.

Yes it is. You are arguing my points eloquently.

[idknow]

Originally Posted by PANICPASS

HJR 192 declared *.*every provision* which purports to give the obligee a right to require a payment in gold or a particular kind of coin or currency* is declared to be against public policy; and no such provision shall be*made with respect to any obligation hereafter incurred.


Public Policy removed the peoples liability to make all payments in a particular specie by making a contract null if it required the payment which a debt can be discharged. Henceforth, they could not be legally held to be paid, because they had not; they were merely exchanged for other forms of debt.

PanicPass, can your statement above be restated as

Originally Posted by panicpass

Public Policy cancelled contractual authority to demand any specific payment in any particular
specie.

wow, in those terms, it's clear that what Congress and FDR did with HJR-192
clearly had no relevence nor jurisdiction to what The People were doing.

no act of legislature can interfere with our right to contract.

therefore, HJR-192 could only apply to govt property and employee/slaves!!!

fascinating.