Skeptic banned

[Akira]

I concur...

Freedom of speech is protected by the first amendment, and I will always defend it, and constructive criticism, whether I agree with it or not...

However, it is a double edged sword...

We have a right to privacy, and a right not to have to listen, until we are ready to listen.

IMHO (in my humble opinion)... We are entitled to freedom from invasion by folks whose only goal is to disrupt.

SJ is the sovereign of this site... and has shown remarkable patience, and has done an exemplary job to date.

My only regret is that this step, has become necessary...


For HIS Glory,
Akira

[BOBT12]

Originally Posted by Akira

I concur...

Freedom of speech is protected by the first amendment, and I will always defend it, and constructive criticism, whether I agree with it or not...

However, it is a double edged sword...

We have a right to privacy, and a right not to have to listen, until we are ready to listen.

IMHO (in my humble opinion)... We are entitled to freedom from invasion by folks whose only goal is to disrupt.

SJ is the sovereign of this site... and has shown remarkable patience, and has done an exemplary job to date.

My only regret is that this step, has become necessary...


For HIS Glory,
Akira

SJ, thank you for you decision to limit some posters who abuse their freedom at this site. I will do my part to focus on more important issues, such as how to increase all of our independence from abusive government, and to enjoy the freedoms that we still have.

[Livefire]

Was he black?? Was he white?? One thing for sure, he really wasnt quite right! Accusing participants of the forum of being silly, stupid morons. Til long at last, SJ said," This cat isnt a blast!!!" then grabbed him, bagged him and tossed him out on his virtual a$$

Its plain to see, we value our sovereignty. When Skeptics filled with libel and slander, our people and issues gerrymander, they will sing the blues o'er in that cyber dump called Quatloos!!!

Thus are the sayings of Livefirus ended!

Sealed with Apolstolic Seal

(__I__)

[BassBoy]

Originally Posted by iamfreeru2

Totally agree with you SJ. This site is getting cluttered with junk. I have spoken to other members that do not come here any longer or have curtailed there coming here due to the fact there is too much garbage to wade through. To be honest with you I have often thought about not coming back here either for those same reasons, but I cannot let a bunch of trollers coming here to cause disrruption keep me away. We have over 30,000+ posts on this site, which lately is valueless, because of these types of posters. If we allow this to continue this site will be history. I am here to learn and also to teach if I have something of value. I would like to see more posters coming here doing the same. At any rate, thanks SJ for an oustanding job.

Hey all,

I felt the same as iamfree. My visits and posts here have become very few and far between. I got tired of coming here and reading through counter-productive posts. Most of you know my original reasons for joining, but then, I completely lost interest. Trash was flying around and I just got bored to death with it.

I've had these morons take their cracks at me, and I'll admit, I didn't take to kindly to it because I was, like many of us here, was hear to learn and I didn't want to read that crap, weather directed towards me or any other member who was putting forth an honest effort to learn and/or conrtibute.

But anyways..........

Keep up the great job SJ. As difficult as it has been for you and your moderators this year, we are all behind your decisions to "take out the trash."

As a long-time lurker here, I thought Skeptic's posts, and the posts of other... well, skeptics made suijuris's forums a better, more informative place. The posts of the skeptics here are usually (although not always) on topic, are usually (although not always) not ad hominem in nature, and tend to keep the thread on point by bringing up counterpoints to the claims made. Asking for clarification, bringing up relevant background information and positing counterarguments should be encouraged, whatever one's personal beliefs are, and however these beliefs compare to a particular thread or particular user.

We would lose a great deal if those people left. For example, currently, on a thread dealing with CRAs and credit score correction, a relative newcomer made the comment that they were three months behind in their mortgage. Another user went to the effort to write up a lengthy reply detailing the ramifications of being so far behind in payments - and stuck around to rebut the claims of a third poster who claimed that foreclosure was a lengthy process in the first user's state.

Originally Posted by Questionmart

As a long-time lurker here, I thought Skeptic's posts, and the posts of other... well, skeptics made suijuris's forums a better, more informative place. The posts of the skeptics here are usually (although not always) on topic, are usually (although not always) not ad hominem in nature, and tend to keep the thread on point by bringing up counterpoints to the claims made. Asking for clarification, bringing up relevant background information and positing counterarguments should be encouraged, whatever one's personal beliefs are, and however these beliefs compare to a particular thread or particular user.

We would lose a great deal if those people left. For example, currently, on a thread dealing with CRAs and credit score correction, a relative newcomer made the comment that they were three months behind in their mortgage. Another user went to the effort to write up a lengthy reply detailing the ramifications of being so far behind in payments - and stuck around to rebut the claims of a third poster who claimed that foreclosure was a lengthy process in the first user's state.

Well, since you were a long time lurker, and this being your first post, I'd say, consider the source. You haven't made a contribution until now, why start?

In other words, start your own effin board.

Just my opinion.

Henry Franklin

[Livefire]

Questionmart,

The posts Skeptic made were anything but informative or in the spirit of honest debate. You will find that SJ is most tolerant of dissenting viewpoints. Judge Roy Bean being a good example of this. He will attack your point of view but doesnt cross the line into blatant ad hominem attack. Kudos to the judge for that!

Originally Posted by HenryBowman

Well, since you were a long time lurker, and this being your first post, I'd say, consider the source. You haven't made a contribution until now, why start?

In other words, start your own effin board.

Just my opinion.

Henry Franklin

Mr Franklin, thank you for the warm welcome. If you seriously have an issue with lurkers having access to the forums, I'd suggest you ask SJ to make them available to regestered users only. If you're concerned about participation, accounts could be culled after a month of not making a post. I'm not sure about the viability of either of these proposals; I came to suijuris.net via public access of the forums myself.

Originally Posted by Livefire

You will find that SJ is most tolerant of dissenting viewpoints. Judge Roy Bean being a good example of this. He will attack your point of view but doesnt cross the line into blatant ad hominem attack. Kudos to the judge for that!

Indeed. For those of you not keeping up with the Service Providers Forum, JRB was the "second poster" I mentioned.

I think a great amount can be learned by debate, and not just debate with "outsiders." (The example that immediately comes to mind is the whole "state citizenship" issue, with many folks of seemingly similar mindsets holding diametrically opposing views.) That said, being arch, cheeky, or profane with comments, or advocating physical violence against fellow posters, does little to advance debate.

[BOBT12]

Originally Posted by Questionmart

I think a great amount can be learned by debate, and not just debate with "outsiders." (The example that immediately comes to mind is the whole "state citizenship" issue, with many folks of seemingly similar mindsets holding diametrically opposing views.) That said, being arch, cheeky, or profane with comments, or advocating physical violence against fellow posters, does little to advance debate.

Emphasis added.

I agree with much of your post, and I welcome your contribution.

However, Skeptic refused to give any positive contribution lately. He would not attempt to support many of his views, and instead, became obstructive by engaging in petty personal attacks. We don't have time for this kind of behavior.

Judge Roy Bean, on the other hand, has not engaged in personal attacks. I say good to the Judge for this.

Many times Judge Roy Bean will offer support for his work, although, I sometimes feel that he holds back on what he has to offer. On a limited number of occasions he has ignored demands for "proof of claim". It is true, I do not always agree with the judge, along with many others, yet, if he says something that I agree with, I have no problem in telling him so. That is the case with most members here. In any case, as you can see, Judge Roy Bean has been allowed to speak his mind.

I think that we are all interested in honest debate and seeking knowledge. As long as these are the guiding principals, I for one, don't have a problem with anyone.

[weishaupt1776]

Originally Posted by Questionmart

That said, being arch, cheeky, or profane with comments, or advocating physical violence against fellow posters, does little to advance debate.

I disagree. You and the rest of the folks at Quatloos need to be hung, drawn, and quartered